Racism (Yeah, that's right: I'm callin' it!)

djchameleon · 09-20-2017, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Because I don't view that as progression. I totally acknowledge your point in how they are able to excel in something when they are at a disadvantage because of some social construct, but what good does that do in resolving the deep-rooted segregation of the society? The only reason race is even acknowledged in this instance is because there isn't some "greater handicap" in the running to cheer about.. Do you see "first black" whatever in the special Olympics? Nope, because they don't recognize race in that event. I want society to reach a point where achievements are congratulated based on the merits they represent.. Attaching anything extra to it just slows social progression.

If you want to have rewards/ceremonies for specific groups or whatever, go right ahead, but making a big to do out of a specific winner in an open field because of something other than what the award is meant to represent is not a good thing imo.

I think it is fine to recognize specific winners in an open field for the award and anything else attached to it. Maybe because you are a white male you don't see it as a big deal because you constantly see white males awarded certain things but it is still nice to see firsts happening. You don't get why it would feel nice to celebrate the first black president. The first woman president etc. It is a big deal based off of the history of those identities not being recognized in those spaces. It isn't meant to go further than that and breakdown the deep rooted segregation in the country. It is meant to recognize inclusion and the general idea of being a part of the melting pot of a nation that we are.

I have some friends that think that integration was the worst thing that happened to the black community. They are really militant and would prefer segregation.

DwnWthVwls · 09-20-2017, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

well first we can establish that educated voters vote for Democrats with an increasing margin every year and are more likely to identify as liberal, and I'm not sure anyone doubts this

take a look at the last presidential election:

"College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980."

Behind Trump's victory: Divisions by race, gender and education | Pew Research Center

(you can note that 1980 is the year Repubs went full nuclear)

are they "smarter",yes, however with the caveat that we are talking specifically about self identifying Conservatives in the US and not necessarily classical liberals or Randian Libertarians

Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives? - TIME

I'll check it out.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I think it is fine to recognize specific winners in an open field for the award and anything else attached to it. Maybe because you are a white male you don't see it as a big deal because you constantly see white males awarded certain things but it is still nice to see firsts happening. You don't get why it would feel nice to celebrate the first black president. The first woman president etc. It is a big deal based off of the history of those identities not being recognized in those spaces. It isn't meant to go further than that and breakdown the deep rooted segregation in the country. It is meant to recognize inclusion and the general idea of being a part of the melting pot of a nation that we are.

I have some friends that think that integration was the worst thing that happened to the black community. They are really militant and would prefer segregation.

Sure, it's nice, but that wasn't the question I presented. I asked how things like this affect race relations. Ultimately, I think they are more negative than positive for bringing society together. I don't think it has anything to do with being a white male, if some white person got an award in something dominated by black people I'd find it equally stupid. I am just not convinced of the usefulness of the extra acknowledgment by society. That accomplishment is something for the person to be proud about, but it has a tendency to turn into a black pride thing, which means nothing to me. There is nothing to be proud about being black or italian or from NJ, that's just who you are. It's a bumper sticker that people latch on to to feel better about themselves for having something in common with the people putting in work while remaining complacent in their own actions.

If I had white friends like that they wouldn't be friends.

djchameleon · 09-20-2017, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Sure, it's nice, but that wasn't the question I presented. I asked how things like this affect race relations. Ultimately, I think they are more negative than positive for bringing society together. I don't think it has anything to do with being a white male, if some white person got an award in something dominated by black people I'd find it equally stupid. I am just not convinced of the usefulness of the extra acknowledgment by society. That accomplishment is something for the person to be proud about, but it has a tendency to turn into a black pride thing, which means nothing to me. There is nothing to be proud about being black or italian or from NJ, that's just who you are. It's a bumper sticker that people latch on to to feel better about themselves for having something in common with the people putting in work while remaining complacent in their own actions.

If I had white friends like that they wouldn't be friends.

The question you presented it doesn't have any effect on.
It doesn't change the way race relations are viewed one bit. You might feel like it is beneath you but others like celebrating black pride and there is nothing wrong with it. Rooting for successful over achieving Italians if you are one just feels good. You don't want to associate yourself with that tribal feeling but it is within you.

Also those friends associate integration with the decline of black owned businesses and the destruction of Black Wall Street. I watched a documentary called Black Friday that showcased when big box stores like Woolworths came around along with segregation ending. Black people ending up taking their purchasing power elsewhere. They would go to Pete's to buy ice under the assumption that his was colder than the previous black business they would purchase from. It eventually became a status symbol to purchase from white businesses.

Neapolitan · 09-21-2017, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

well first we can establish that educated voters vote for Democrats with an increasing margin every year and are more likely to identify as liberal, and I'm not sure anyone doubts this

take a look at the last presidential election:

"College graduates backed Clinton by a 9-point margin (52%-43%), while those without a college degree backed Trump 52%-44%. This is by far the widest gap in support among college graduates and non-college graduates in exit polls dating back to 1980."

Behind Trump's victory: Divisions by race, gender and education | Pew Research Center

(you can note that 1980 is the year Repubs went full nuclear)

are they "smarter",yes, however with the caveat that we are talking specifically about self identifying Conservatives in the US and not necessarily classical liberals or Randian Libertarians

Study: Are Liberals Smarter Than Conservatives? - TIME

Parents send their children to Liberal colleges and they get turned into Liberals - that is not surprising. This is what I find surprising. When you take the Democratic party they fall into two very distinct major categories. 63% earn less than $15K and 36% earn more than $200K annually. This is according to stats provided by debt.org dating back to 2012. https://www.debt.org/wp-content/uplo...-Democrats.gif In the UK that that would be equivalent to less than 11,123 GBP and more than 148,313 pounds per annum.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 09-21-2017, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Parents send their children to Liberal colleges and they get turned into Liberals

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Mindy · 09-21-2017, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

This is 100% not how it works and really the only important take away

The data suggests if you're the type of person thats inclined to seek academia you will likely end up a liberal

not some grand conspiracy across the country to corrupt the youth

~~Cuthbert~~ · 09-21-2017, 08:30 AM

FA covers up 'Super White Army' banner at Tranmere Rovers - BBC News

I'd like to know who made this decision and what the reason for it was.

Mindy · 09-21-2017, 10:16 AM

wooah vicky, thats racist!

The Batlord · 09-21-2017, 10:56 AM

I'm not sure whether mindfulness is just bumbling his way through this thread or if he's trolling hard.

**Frownland** · 09-21-2017, 10:56 AM

You can't mindfully bumble.

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	FA covers up 'Super White Army' banner at Tranmere Rovers - BBC News I'd like to know who made this decision and what the reason for it was.