Racism (Yeah, that's right: I'm callin' it!)

DwnWthVwls · 09-19-2017, 10:18 PM

Do you think that making a big to do out of "first black whatever", is good for race relations? While i understand the importance it can have for the black community, given the history here, i think stuff like that is generally dumb to even recognize. It feels very much like an everyone gets a trophy situation. Unless its some monumental achievement like going to space i tend to not care at all, so im definitely bias here.

Lucem Ferre · 09-19-2017, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwertyy

yeah, atlanta is great. award shows are dumb anyway and so are the old ass white men who run them.

I love that show but I'm the only person I know that watches it. This and Rick & Morty are my ****. I re-watch them all the time.

Neapolitan · 09-19-2017, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Do you think that making a big to do out of "first black whatever", is good for race relations? While i understand the importance it can have for the black community, given the history here, i think stuff like that is generally dumb to even recognize. It feels very much like an everyone gets a trophy situation. Unless its some monumental achievement like going to space i tend to not care at all, so im definitely bias here.

What is wrong with it? I think it is good to know positive figures from the past.

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The Batlord · 09-20-2017, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

"I'm rooting for everybody black."

~~Cuthbert~~ · 09-20-2017, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Issa Rae at the Emmys: ‘I’m Rooting for Everybody Black’ | Variety

There are some whiny people calling Issa Rae racist for this statement. "I'm rooting for everybody black."

What are your opinions?

The main go to phrase people are griping about is that if someone said "I'm rooting for everybody white." There would be a huge deal. I'll add my comments in a bit.

Not sure whether it's racist. It is a bit pathetic though.

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This isn't a case of just being nominated for their skin color for diversity. They were nominated based off of merit.

They made a point of mentioning it was the most diverse list of nominees for the third year running. They probably were nominated for their skin colour.

Zhanteimi · 09-20-2017, 05:03 AM

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DwnWthVwls · 09-20-2017, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

What is wrong with it? I think it is good to know positive figures from the past.

Nothing is wrong with acknowledging positive figures, but being black is a neutral quality. Lets focus more on the excellence of the individual and less on their race, gender, disability, etc.

I just feel attaching things like first black, woman, whatever, detract from acknowledging the merits of the achievement and subconsciously aid in promoting segregation.

djchameleon · 09-20-2017, 07:46 AM

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They made a point of mentioning it was the most diverse list of nominees for the third year running. They probably were nominated for their skin colour.

It was a joke by Stephen Colbert in the opening monolog mostly making fun of the whole Oscars so white situation that happened two years ago.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Nothing is wrong with acknowledging positive figures, but being black is a neutral quality. Lets focus more on the excellence of the individual and less on their race, gender, disability, etc.

I just feel attaching things like first black, woman, whatever, detract from acknowledging the merits of the achievement and subconsciously aid in promoting segregation.

You feel like it detracts and I feel like it actually adds to it the win. It acknowledges their merit while also acknowledging the fact that they were able to excel AND win in a ceremony that usually doesn't recognize the work of that race. I don't feel see why you can't focus on black excellence or any other race, gender or disability that you want to push forward.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 09-20-2017, 08:22 AM

If that was a joke I missed it. It was the most diverse for the third year running though wasn't it?

DwnWthVwls · 09-20-2017, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

You feel like it detracts and I feel like it actually adds to it the win. It acknowledges their merit while also acknowledging the fact that they were able to excel AND win in a ceremony that usually doesn't recognize the work of that race. I don't feel see why you can't focus on black excellence or any other race, gender or disability that you want to push forward.

Because I don't view that as progression. I totally acknowledge your point in how they are able to excel in something when they are at a disadvantage because of some social construct, but what good does that do in resolving the deep-rooted segregation of the society? The only reason race is even acknowledged in this instance is because there isn't some "greater handicap" in the running to cheer about.. Do you see "first black" whatever in the special Olympics? Nope, because they don't recognize race in that event. I want society to reach a point where achievements are congratulated based on the merits they represent.. Attaching anything extra to it just slows social progression.

If you want to have rewards/ceremonies for specific groups or whatever, go right ahead, but making a big to do out of a specific winner in an open field because of something other than what the award is meant to represent is not a good thing imo.

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	If that was a joke I missed it. It was the most diverse for the third year running though wasn't it?