Racism (Yeah, that's right: I'm callin' it!)

**Frownland** · 09-14-2017, 01:00 PM

That's totally valid.

I'm a proponent of critical race theory which makes it easy to agree with what you just said, I just think that people just take it too far in the wrong direction (and are ironically uncritical of their own views once they reach that point, as I love to point out). Instead of saying that African Americans can't be racist, say that racism from African Americans isn't reinforced by social dynamics and as a result, is less likely to go by unchecked.

Or if you're talking to neo-nazis directly, just tell them that white people are just better at racism. They'll high five and be on with their day.

Neapolitan · 09-14-2017, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks

Because words have practical applications. Being racist is like being xenophobic or homophobic, etc etc. Unless you have a means of imposing it, who cares? You're just a person with a belief system.

Our conversations about racism, as a country, can't be about the individual beliefs of 320 million people. They have to be in the aggregate. I used to get really angry when I heard black academics say that "only white people can be racist". After reading about and considering the issue (slowly and over many years), I actually understand what they mean. Anyone can hate anyone else for any petty reason. In America, as European white folks are the dominant ethnic group, nearly all of our political and social institutions reflect that (America is white, Christian, conservative, generally egalitarian in outlook, and generally compassionate in conduct. Some good, some bad, but all directly informed by the Western European heritage of our founders + first 80 million residents.). Therefore, racism, the ideology of racial superiority, can only be enacted by the group that controls said political and social institutions. Other groups can hate. Minorities can believe their own group is superior to the majority. But what can they do about that? Pass laws? Use the police department to enforce social order?

This is what I and many of those academics mean. "Blacks can't be racist" is an unfortunate shorthand than 100% does not address the nuance of the argument and I have no doubt it's used as a club by ignorant black folk. I just want white people to not make the same short-cutting mistake. It's a subtle argument and quite a powerful one, imho.

"Institutional racism" is, in light of the above, almost redundant. It also removes agency from all parties by painting racial issues as systemic or inherent to either governance or the human condition, as opposed to the artificial barriers they are.

Wow! Now that is what I

Mindy · 09-16-2017, 04:54 PM

**Frownland** · 09-16-2017, 05:10 PM

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/selectatest.html

(drop down to the race test, I can't link it directly)

djchameleon · 09-16-2017, 07:50 PM

Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for European Americans over African Americans.

DwnWthVwls · 09-16-2017, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for European Americans over African Americans.

Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for White people over Black people.

By the time black people and good things appeared together was the last 2 tests at which point i was fatiguing from boredom and repetitive responses. They condition your motor response to do one thing for the first 5 rounds and then switch it the last two and say look your kinda racist.

Stupid test.

djchameleon · 09-17-2017, 12:57 AM

When it switches for the last 2 if you are still answering as fast as you did for the earlier rounds then you would come out looking racist.

A slower response time to associating negative words with black people should result in the opposite but it didn't work out that way. Yeah the test is off.

**Goofle** · 09-17-2017, 05:40 AM

Are there any studies to see if you get similar "preferences" between people of other races. Asians positively associating with Asians for example.

I am fully aware that these tests are stupid and prove nothing, but it kind of makes sense that you would associate somebody of the same race more positively as a gut biological response.

Zhanteimi · 09-17-2017, 06:02 AM

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Mindy · 09-17-2017, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

idk if you posted this seriously but it's super naive

considering that no discussion of class occurs here it almost leaves you with the impression that they think blacks are just naturally more criminal

along with a laughable dose of "I'm black myself see so my argument has validity"

, damn that video got you typing.

are you mad at i just shared a video about race in a race related thread?

or are you mad at the person in the video giving out facts and information?

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	That's totally valid. I'm a proponent of critical race theory which makes it easy to agree with what you just said, I just think that people just take it too far in the wrong direction (and are ironically uncritical of their own views once they reach that point, as I love to point out). Instead of saying that African Americans can't be racist, say that racism from African Americans isn't reinforced by social dynamics and as a result, is less likely to go by unchecked. Or if you're talking to neo-nazis directly, just tell them that white people are just better at racism. They'll high five and be on with their day. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/selectatest.html (drop down to the race test, I can't link it directly) __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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