Jordan Peterson - Get a damn hoover, ey.

OccultHawk · 01-27-2018, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by will smith

You haven't posted a single critique of his ideas that actually invalidates his main point. You are just getting bogged down in details like "does serotonin have an identical role in humans as in lobsters?" to muddy the waters. As if he was saying Humans and lobsters are identical. He is noting how primordial and biologically grounded things like dominance hierarchies actually are. Which they are, and they can be observed throughout nature.

It seems like either you just don't understand what he is saying and to compensate for that, focus on tedious and irrelevant tangents, or you do understand but you don't like the message so you are looking for ways to reject it. I'm leaning towards the former tbh.

Quoted before deletion.

OccultHawk · 01-27-2018, 02:37 PM

Whoa we both pulled the same trick!

OccultHawk · 01-27-2018, 02:46 PM

Everything is biological

**Frownland** · 01-27-2018, 02:47 PM

I will concede that he is indeed less of a hack than Will Smith.

OccultHawk · 01-27-2018, 02:55 PM

Nothing humans do is outside the boundaries of biology unless you believe in woo.

WWWP · 01-27-2018, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

not in social animals

animals with learned behavior rather than solely instinctual behavior are a whole other phenomenon i.e. humans

I don't understand why you're presenting this as a dichotomy - we are social animals, yes, but we also are driven by instinct and biology.

WWWP · 01-27-2018, 03:00 PM

What other organisms are social animals? And how are their societies structured?

OccultHawk · 01-27-2018, 05:15 PM

There’s nothing about it that isn’t biological.

There’s no nature versus nurture. Nurture is a part of nature. And there’s nothing intangible happening. Only the physical, the biological is happening. You sound like you don’t understand that there’s no consciousness beyond the biological.

Social order does not transcend biology. The brains that construct social order are purely biological.

Any sociological jargon that tries to create a divide between nature, and in this case biology, is as unfounded as any other form of mysticism.

Social hierarchy can’t be discussed unless we only deal with reality. You’re using language that suggests a belief in the supernatural. There’s no conversation to be had there.

OccultHawk · 01-27-2018, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

?

I appreciate your humility there. That’s a good start.

WWWP · 01-27-2018, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

humans will behave differently depending on the social environment in which they live despite sharing the same biology with humans of a different culture

this is indeed observable in other social animals who have learned behaviors

primates, some species of birds, dolphins, etc.

yes and the drives that make that happen (tribalism in the interest of survival, f.ex.) are all rooted in our shared biology. our understanding of cultural relativism is dependent on biological wiring.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	There’s nothing about it that isn’t biological. There’s no nature versus nurture. Nurture is a part of nature. And there’s nothing intangible happening. Only the physical, the biological is happening. You sound like you don’t understand that there’s no consciousness beyond the biological. Social order does not transcend biology. The brains that construct social order are purely biological. Any sociological jargon that tries to create a divide between nature, and in this case biology, is as unfounded as any other form of mysticism. Social hierarchy can’t be discussed unless we only deal with reality. You’re using language that suggests a belief in the supernatural. There’s no conversation to be had there. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html