Jordan Peterson - Get a damn hoover, ey.

**Frownland** · 11-25-2017, 04:35 PM

I still rank this dude alongside Gladwell as far as pop pseudophilosophers go. Pretty amazing dude if you agree with his stances and are alright with flimsy premises and assumptions I guess. Since I feel like he really agrees with the outcomes he works backwards from, he has an edge over Gladwell as a non-con artist so he has honesty (or at last perceived honesty) on his side.

OccultHawk · 11-25-2017, 04:53 PM

You gotta admit, he can make an incredible case for preposterous ideas. That discussion with Sam Harris where he was arguing the truth isn’t the truth was top shelf. He’s at worst a spectacular troll. Harris was dumbstruck.

**Frownland** · 11-25-2017, 05:01 PM

He makes a quick succession of empty premises that he blows through without an opportunity to be challenged, then he asserts his position and treats those premises as truths. He's very convincing for talk radio but he makes my bull**** meter go off the charts when he makes his cases. I don't think that he's unintelligent, but I think he lets his stances drive his logic more than he'd like to believe. Then again, maybe I just spot that so easily because I see it in myself.

OccultHawk · 11-25-2017, 05:11 PM

You gotta admit being in his class would rock.

**Frownland** · 11-25-2017, 05:17 PM

Ja it'd be really fun if he promoted disourse (not that he doesn't). Though tbh if he proved himself to be likeable or if I already agreed with him, I would be less ready to challenge him as my professor and that might make it less fun.

OccultHawk · 11-25-2017, 07:56 PM

Is there anything on earth that you appreciate that doesn’t align with your politics?

grindy · 11-26-2017, 03:22 AM

Fun fact: If you stand in front of a mirror at night and say Sam Harris five times you can summon elphenor, wherever you are.

Psy-Fi · 11-26-2017, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Fun fact: If you stand in front of a mirror at night and say Sam Harris five times you can summon elphenor, wherever you are.

WWWP · 11-26-2017, 05:09 PM

my interest in him is strictly in regard to his expertise in theology and religion, I largely roll my eyes at his insertion into identity politics. I generally find him easy to listen to and imagine I would enjoy him as a lecturer but he's more joe rogan than sam harris imo

Xurtio · 11-28-2017, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I had that impression initially, watched another video and still felt exactly the same way. I feel like he wastes a lot of time either saying absolutely nothing, devolving into anecdotal and distracting tangents, or putting very straightforward ideas across from what I've seen so far.

Oh he says a lot, it's just political rhetoric encoded as "logic" with vague enough premises that he can confidently make assertions that align with said political rhetoric. Cuz muh degrees.

11-25-2017, 04:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I still rank this dude alongside Gladwell as far as pop pseudophilosophers go. Pretty amazing dude if you agree with his stances and are alright with flimsy premises and assumptions I guess. Since I feel like he really agrees with the outcomes he works backwards from, he has an edge over Gladwell as a non-con artist so he has honesty (or at last perceived honesty) on his side. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-25-2017, 04:53 PM	#22 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	You gotta admit, he can make an incredible case for preposterous ideas. That discussion with Sam Harris where he was arguing the truth isn’t the truth was top shelf. He’s at worst a spectacular troll. Harris was dumbstruck. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

11-25-2017, 05:01 PM	#23 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	He makes a quick succession of empty premises that he blows through without an opportunity to be challenged, then he asserts his position and treats those premises as truths. He's very convincing for talk radio but he makes my bull**** meter go off the charts when he makes his cases. I don't think that he's unintelligent, but I think he lets his stances drive his logic more than he'd like to believe. Then again, maybe I just spot that so easily because I see it in myself. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-25-2017, 05:11 PM	#24 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	You gotta admit being in his class would rock. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

11-25-2017, 05:17 PM	#25 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Ja it'd be really fun if he promoted disourse (not that he doesn't). Though tbh if he proved himself to be likeable or if I already agreed with him, I would be less ready to challenge him as my professor and that might make it less fun. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-25-2017, 07:56 PM	#26 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Is there anything on earth that you appreciate that doesn’t align with your politics? __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

11-26-2017, 03:22 AM	#27 (permalink)
grindy . Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: . Posts: 7,201	Fun fact: If you stand in front of a mirror at night and say Sam Harris five times you can summon elphenor, wherever you are. __________________ *A smell of petroleum prevails throughout.*