Jordan Peterson - Get a damn hoover, ey.

Oriphiel · 09-09-2018, 07:08 PM

An alt-left is when you turn right three times.

The Batlord · 09-09-2018, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

An alt-left is when you turn right three times.

Anteater · 09-09-2018, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy

Why are they degenerate? Are you just using edgelord terminology or is there a point?

For clarity's sake, I think the more commonly used term is "regressive left".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_left

OccultHawk · 09-10-2018, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

"regressive" for not being tolerant of obvious racism

Sam Harris used it in reference to Noam Chomsky

Harris is trying to get Chomsky on his show. Harris will be so out of his depth if he tries to debate with Chomsky.

OccultHawk · 09-10-2018, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

"regressive" for not being tolerant of obvious racism

Sam Harris used it in reference to Noam Chomsky

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Originally Posted by elphenor

they had an email "debate" that Harris asked to post on his site

https://samharris.org/the-limits-of-discourse/

I’m reading it.

From the start it’s annoying that Harris treats Chomsky like a peer.

I get that it would be hypocritical for Chomsky to care about intellectual hierarchy but ffs it’s not just politics he revolutionized linguistics.

Sometimes you shouldn’t debate. You should STFU and learn.

OccultHawk · 09-10-2018, 03:16 PM

That really is funny.

I like Harris but he’s an entertainer.

Chomsky is like a living Thoreau

His words carry so much weight

OccultHawk · 09-10-2018, 03:32 PM

Did you read The Selfish Gene?

OccultHawk · 09-10-2018, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

no

I think Unweaving the Rainbow was the other one I read, and I think that's still pretty good, the idea that a scientific understanding is more beautiful aesthetically than a spiritual one not just, you know, falsifiable

Harris just kinda takes the idea too far in thinking that you can do away with centuries of philosophy with a math equation or something, it's incredibly arrogant

ie that idea of "objective" morality based on reason

I agree. We went through this with DWV it gets meh after a while

I know it’s 101 but I really like the philosophize this podcast

I didn’t realize how many times the science can replace philosophy thing has cycled around and been given up on and resurrected again until I listened to his podcast (I’ve listened to all of them - I’m starting over - I’ve been listening to it on headphones at work)

I wish I could remember the names of who thought of what but my memory is too weak

OccultHawk · 09-10-2018, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

they had an email "debate" that Harris asked to post on his site

https://samharris.org/the-limits-of-discourse/

I just finished reading that and I felt incredibly embarrassed for Harris. And the way he pretends he’s taking the high ground and offered Chomsky the chance to have a productive discourse - just holy ****ing Christ - lol

I had no idea Harris was such an apologist for American atrocities.

Harris comes off as completely repulsive there.

**Frownland** · 09-10-2018, 07:11 PM

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Before engaging on this topic, I’d like to encourage you to approach this exchange as though we were planning to publish it. As edifying as it might be to have you correct my misreading of you in private—it would be far better if you did this publicly. It’s not a matter of having a “debate about misreadings”; it’s a matter of allowing our readers to see that conversation on difficult and polarizing topics can occasionally fulfill its ostensible purpose.

Shape up your debate tactics ya old coot! Harry's in the house.

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