Political Discussions for "Adults"

**Marie Monday** · 11-06-2020, 08:01 AM

Talking about ignoring why they're coming in favour of being welcoming sounds like the two are mutually exclusive, which I don't think is true

TheBig3 · 11-06-2020, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

Talking about ignoring why they're coming in favour of being welcoming sounds like the two are mutually exclusive, which I don't think is true

Right. But American politics can be very "If they like it, I hate it" and I'm sure I don't need to make the case for Americans being self-centered and indifferent.

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I do think there’s a lot false advertising and misunderstanding about that America really is in much of the third world. Many people, do indeed, find life here worse than it was at home.

But that's an "us" problem. People don't need to have lives that bad in this country. I think we just have too many fat ****s who want to feel like they matter despite not having any ambition, and order UberEats and Drizzly to their coach while they binge-watch Netflix in sweatpants.

Americans generally speaking love to give opinions on things they don't know anything about. I'm against voter suppression, but some of these people should be ashamed they vote when they're so easily manipulated.

Lucem Ferre · 11-06-2020, 08:40 AM

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Right. But American politics can be very "If they like it, I hate it" and I'm sure I don't need to make the case for Americans being self-centered and indifferent.

Allegedly a big reason why Trump got so many supporters was because liberals are mean. Imagine your political identity being molded by the fact that you got bullied by a liberal. That's the most spineless thing ever. Like, you don't have an actual belief you're just a whiny bitch. Pathetic.

Probably true, too.

TheBig3 · 11-06-2020, 08:43 AM

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Allegedly a big reason why Trump got so many supporters was because liberals are mean. Imagine your political identity being molded by the fact that you got bullied by a liberal. That's the most spineless thing ever. Like, you don't have an actual belief you're just a whiny bitch. Pathetic.

Probably true, too.

Yeah and based on the last four years I have to believe it's true in some measure.

I'm all for saying the Professional Managerial Class sold out the rust belt. But how they choose to respond to it, and their own lack of self-involvement blows my mind.

Amazon's HQ2 is not coming to your former factory town because the governor cut corporate taxes, my friend. Stop the urban sprawl, support policies that concentrate people closer to major cities, and invest in yourselves. You can't cut taxes low enough for people to care about you. Without State/Federal spending you're never going to become a prosperous location.

Lucem Ferre · 11-06-2020, 08:51 AM

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Yeah and based on the last four years I have to believe it's true in some measure.

I'm all for saying the Professional Managerial Class sold out the rust belt. But how they choose to respond to it, and their own lack of self-involvement blows my mind.

Amazon's HQ2 is not coming to your former factory town because the governor cut corporate taxes, my friend. Stop the urban sprawl, support policies that concentrate people closer to major cities, and invest in yourselves. You can't cut taxes low enough for people to care about you. Without State/Federal spending you're never going to become a prosperous location.

Actually they do tend to vote for left leaning policies like upping the minimum wage and a public option for healthcare when it's presented to them they just don't like the politicians attached to these ideas. Well, actual leftists that know how to speak to populism have done much much better than the establishment democrats that talk down on us Bernie bros this election. It's as if Dems are out of touch and take people for granted. Even though Republicans are much much much worse for them at least they are in touch with the common people enough to pander to them.

TheBig3 · 11-06-2020, 09:00 AM

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Actually they do tend to vote for left leaning policies like upping the minimum wage and a public option for healthcare when it's presented to them they just don't like the politicians attached to these ideas. Well, actual leftists that know how to speak to populism have done much much better than the establishment democrats that talk down on us Bernie bros this election. It's as if Dems are out of touch and take people for granted. Even though Republicans are much much much worse for them at least they are in touch with the common people enough to pander to them.

The way I see it, the statement I've bolded is GOP Marketing working. What Democrat took you for granted? Is Sherrod Brown establishment? Does Biden's "Dignity of work" message not matter?

**Janszoon** · 11-06-2020, 09:01 AM

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Even though Republicans are much much much worse for them at least they are in touch with the common people enough to pander to them.

Common white people. The low level of support they have among everyone else indicates they're out of touch with common people in general.

**Frownland** · 11-06-2020, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Allegedly a big reason why Trump got so many supporters was because liberals are mean. Imagine your political identity being molded by the fact that you got bullied by a liberal. That's the most spineless thing ever. Like, you don't have an actual belief you're just a whiny bitch. Pathetic.

Probably true, too.

Also like how many "liberals" support the DNC because conservatives are Racist despite being rabidly conservative and full of internalized racism themselves.