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Old 08-22-2020, 05:57 PM   #7281 (permalink)
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but this argument is junk

you're not endorsing Biden by recognizing the alternative is going to be Trump
Endorsements aren't endorsements? Huh.
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Old 08-22-2020, 05:58 PM   #7282 (permalink)
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Old 08-22-2020, 06:00 PM   #7283 (permalink)
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And even if you're with us it's not like you're with us with us anyways come on bro it only takes 15 minutes.
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Old 08-22-2020, 06:05 PM   #7284 (permalink)
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I don't care what the cool kids said. Harm reduction is still the infliction of harm. I can't ride with that.
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Old 08-22-2020, 06:06 PM   #7285 (permalink)
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Meanwhile, your path to victory is...what? Not voting? Ranting on a forum literally tens of people visit?

I've never considered me voting for the winner to mean that I "won" anything. My record isn't super:

2004 - Kerry
2008 - Obama
2012 - Obama
2016 - Clinton

I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but voting in the Presidential election is kind of useless in terms of "achieving" things. For one thing, I'm in a die-hard blue state in which Biden beat our sitting Senior Senator.

But the big portion is the mid-terms. Who you send to the Senate and the House matters more, because it signals to the parties what the mood in the country is, and 2018 was won by the DSA crowd.

My vote for Biden in November isn't as important as my vote for Markey in September.
I suspect your path to victory is somewhat palatable to me but ultimately I'll find the whole thing to be an earnest slap in the face.
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Old 08-22-2020, 06:10 PM   #7286 (permalink)
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it's also been the preferred strategy in revolutionary left politics since like forever, man, as long as neoliberalism isn't your end goal
in the revolutionary left that never gets around to the revolution
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Old 08-22-2020, 06:13 PM   #7287 (permalink)
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I'm more like how about let's stop accepting that we have to stab ourselves.
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Old 08-22-2020, 06:15 PM   #7288 (permalink)
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Lenin sure got around to it
Yes by overthrowing a nominal democracy by force.
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Old 08-22-2020, 06:19 PM   #7289 (permalink)
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I suspect your path to victory is somewhat palatable to me but ultimately I'll find the whole thing to be an earnest slap in the face.
I mean I don't know if I can answer that, but from where I sit, it seems to me our differences are that I'm working with the **** reality we have, and you find that objectionable. Which is not to say I endorse what we have, but I believe life is always going to **** us. So we might as well take what we can get.

As for real action that I think people should pursue if you want to improve the system, it's probably this in order:

1. Get a week-long voting system in place in all states.
2. Get ranked-choice voting on the ballot
3. Focus on in-state ballot initiatives.

The third one is the only way I believe you can circumvent party.
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Old 08-22-2020, 06:21 PM   #7290 (permalink)
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Who did you support in the primaries?
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