Political Discussions for "Adults"

The Batlord · 08-22-2020, 04:34 PM

You know all this just isn't the same without Chula. Trollheart was the lynchpin for music discussion and Chula was the same for political scrums.

OccultHawk · 08-22-2020, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

And yet you also stan for centrists like Hillary Clinton while bitching about voting. You're a club joiner. You want to join the punk club and you want to join the political winner club so you identify with people who can reliably win. You will become Chula in ten years. Guarantee it. Or maybe I'm wrong. You might have to have a mortgage to be that far down the Democrat rabbithole.

I used to think he was going to be a Republican.

The thing is though his entire generation has already been tossed in the trash. They’re likely to become more and more radical as the permanency of their poverty and disenfranchisement becomes more apparent.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2020, 04:38 PM

Honestly all politics aside... There is no rational reason for thinking your vote will ever make a difference.

It all relies on group patterns and trends. You don't cast a ballot for your group though. It's just doing so and hoping blindly others will do the same. But they make their decision independent of yours. So your decision has very nearly zero chance of having any impact.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2020, 04:42 PM

Yes. It's inherent to the system and it's my go to rationalization for not voting when the reality is I'm just lazy apathetic and can't be bothered.

I'm just as likely to pretend to vote for Bernie as I am to actually vote for him.

OccultHawk · 08-22-2020, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

You know all this just isn't the same without Chula. Trollheart was the lynchpin for music discussion and Chula was the same for political scrums.

What made Chula so great was his investment in a style of governance that left him extraordinarily unhappy. By defending it he was literally fighting for the psychological space to function. He was constantly in that I worked hard and it paid off I even have things camp but his actual existence was full of despair.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2020, 04:47 PM

@ elph
Fair enough... Though both contribute nearly nothing.

But yes I should also pretend to vote for Biden only cause Trump is pretending to be dictator.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2020, 04:55 PM

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no, but still more reform was accomplished than Marx would have thought possible without revolution

I still believe capitalism isn't the end of history, revolution is inevitable

but it's a bit like asking "what would the founders think", they'd be like "holy **** Airplanes!"

that's part of the main argument against participation in the system though... The reforms essentially make the current system more palatable and thus make revolution an even more distant possibility.

**Frownland** · 08-22-2020, 04:58 PM

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what is the act of voting so strenuous you have to sit out political action for 4 years?

Equating not voting with entirely sitting out on political action tells me that you rank it to be the foremost method of political action despite calls for "both".

The Batlord · 08-22-2020, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

What made Chula so great was his investment in a style of governance that left him extraordinarily unhappy. By defending it he was literally fighting for the psychological space to function. He was constantly in that I worked hard and it paid off I even have things camp but his actual existence was full of despair.

Church. That was some powerful self-delusion. And he was so likable that you just couldn't help but want to convince him to discard that nonsense but smug enough that you didn't feel bad about being mean about it.

OccultHawk · 08-22-2020, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

that's part of the main argument against participation in the system though... The reforms essentially make the current system more palatable and thus make revolution an even more distant possibility.

That’s basically what Foucault believed.

08-22-2020, 04:38 PM	#7253 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Honestly all politics aside... There is no rational reason for thinking your vote will ever make a difference. It all relies on group patterns and trends. You don't cast a ballot for your group though. It's just doing so and hoping blindly others will do the same. But they make their decision independent of yours. So your decision has very nearly zero chance of having any impact.

08-22-2020, 04:42 PM	#7254 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Yes. It's inherent to the system and it's my go to rationalization for not voting when the reality is I'm just lazy apathetic and can't be bothered. I'm just as likely to pretend to vote for Bernie as I am to actually vote for him.

08-22-2020, 04:47 PM	#7256 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	@ elph Fair enough... Though both contribute nearly nothing. But yes I should also pretend to vote for Biden only cause Trump is pretending to be dictator.