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Old 07-29-2020, 06:07 PM   #6601 (permalink)
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Old 07-29-2020, 06:25 PM   #6602 (permalink)
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Well it wouldn't be Musicbanter if I didn't stand alone on one side of an issue. Just the same she didn't get my vote either, but I must say I echo the sentiments of the 44th President on the Jr. Senator from CA.
I think Tulsi pretty much summed up what there is to dislike about her at the next debate.

That's assuming of course that what is said about her record is true. Not gonna pretend like I fact checked it but I didn't hear her push back on it much.
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Old 07-29-2020, 09:58 PM   #6603 (permalink)
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Well it wouldn't be Musicbanter if I didn't stand alone on one side of an issue.
Stop being such a diva. What "one side of an issue" are you talking about?

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Just the same she didn't get my vote either, but I must say I echo the sentiments of the 44th President on the Jr. Senator from CA.
What president are you talking about? Are you talking strictly about numerical placement (Obama)? Or are you accounting for Cleveland's two non-consecutive terms and are talking about Trump? Quotes would help.

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I'm convinced everyone's politics are based on axiomatic values most importantly how they respond to heiarchy

it's super rare you will change someone's opinion with new information, because we don't really get our politics from a set of statistics or whatever
Though I agree with the second part of your sentiment here, if everyone's politics were based on axiomatic values, we'd all agree and would have no use for this thread.
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:18 PM   #6604 (permalink)
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I think that elphenor is mixing up axioms and paradigms.
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:35 PM   #6605 (permalink)
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I think that elphenor is mixing up axioms and paradigms.
That could be. I prefer to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, which is why I tend to ask for clarification. I like elph (he's a Fall fan, how could I not like him?).
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:52 PM   #6606 (permalink)
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No, axiomatic values in this context are self-evident to the individual

commonly used phrase in politics too
I don't know, typically, I consider an "axiomatic" value to be things that can't really be questioned, like peoples' rights to life and liberty, rather than something that is contingent on individual context.

It's generally the kind of word I'd expect a conservative to pull out when describiing the constitution - I don't think it's a word that's generally used in your average political debate.
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Old 07-29-2020, 10:57 PM   #6607 (permalink)
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Old 07-29-2020, 11:02 PM   #6608 (permalink)
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*questions rights to life and liberty*
Come on grindy, I had an open and shut case here, and you just had to come in and complicate it.
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Come on grindy, I had an open and shut case here, and you just had to come in and complicate it.
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Old 07-29-2020, 11:13 PM   #6610 (permalink)
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there doesn't exist values that can't be questioned

only values you hold that can't be justified other than "because it's right"
Okay elph, so when someone comes in and kills you for no apparrent reason, I can proclaim to the judge that, in my opinion, there doesn't exist an unquestionable value that could allow conviction of said murderer?
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