Political Discussions for "Adults"

TheBig3 · 07-28-2020, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

wouldn't object.
Huh. I wonder if you said the same thing to women who were excited about the prospect of a woman president.

... Why do you need to be amazed? Do you want him to grope your wife while we're at it?

In all seriousness the fact that you're inspired by the fact we settled on a candidate nobody is particular impressed by sounds like a take you jacked straight from Ezra Klein.

If women advocated for a candidate as a symbol alone, yes. I would.

What I do get about the Bernie crowd is that can't see a win when they get one. Sanders lost the nomination and won the party. Not dissimilar to Barry Goldwater in 1964. Progressive candidates have won in districts routinely since 2018 and he's primed to pick up a lot more in 2020.

But again, people undervalue the house. If the Progressives get on committees, cut deals, and work to get changes to legislation, the country lurches forward in a way we haven't seen since FDR.

In all seriousness, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. You vote for your messiah, and I'll vote for a politician.

~~jwb~~ · 07-28-2020, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I think it would take like a century to get it prepared.

Could happen, I'm just skeptical at the brazen confidence many futurists have. The idea that we will be careful for instance seems to have no bearing on how technology is currently emerging.

Like I said though I'm fine with us being replaced but needless to say I'm also fine with humans becoming Gods or living in an AI based utopia.

~~jwb~~ · 07-28-2020, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

If women advocated for a candidate as a symbol alone, yes. I would.

What I do get about the Bernie crowd is that can't see a win when they get one. Sanders lost the nomination and won the party. Not dissimilar to Barry Goldwater in 1964. Progressive candidates have won in districts routinely since 2018 and he's primed to pick up a lot more in 2020.

But again, people undervalue the house. If the Progressives get on committees, cut deals, and work to get changes to legislation, the country lurches forward in a way we haven't seen since FDR.

In all seriousness, I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. You vote for your messiah, and I'll vote for a politician.

Kinda confused... By what mechanism is it that you propose Sanders has changed the party?

And I might very well vote Biden just out of fear of Trump. That's why most people are voting for him. And you somehow see that as a positive.

OccultHawk · 07-28-2020, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

kinda surprised you won't just welcome extinction/ being replaced and rendered irrelevant.

I’ve read a lot of sci-fi. There’s a part of me that wants our descendants to explore the universe and evolve into something better.

TheBig3 · 07-28-2020, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Kinda confused... By what mechanism is it that you propose Sanders has changed the party?

You haven't seen a considerable shift from Clinton to Biden? If you didn't have the colors or words behind them, the 2016 DNC could have been the 2004 RNC. Clinton had General shouting "we will kill you" to ISIS on stage.

Now Biden is writing a joint pact with Sanders.

**Frownland** · 07-28-2020, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Now Biden is writing a joint pact with Sanders.

This is basically just a symbolic pinkie swear, haven't we had enough symbolism?

TheBig3 · 07-28-2020, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

This is basically just a symbolic pinkie swear, haven't we had enough symbolism?

jwb hasn't

~~jwb~~ · 07-28-2020, 06:15 PM

^That's exactly where I was going with that question. He somehow 'won the party' without having real power but being president would've been worthless? That's the confusion.

TheBig3 · 07-28-2020, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

^That's exactly where I was going with that question. He somehow 'won the party' without having real power but being president would've been worthless? That's the confusion.

If you don't see that, I don't know if I can explain it to you. Without Bernie you don't have the Squad, you have no Green New Deal, and you don't have a resurgence of rust belt democrats who probably feel like you do about the Democratic Party.

The only thing Sanders hasn't been influential on is healthcare (which I have mixed feelings on) and when the impeachment happened and for what (which I'm glad his wing lost).

~~jwb~~ · 07-28-2020, 06:28 PM

You're misunderstanding me. I do see the influence. That was exactly the kind of thing I was referring to as symbolism which you dismissed as something we should get past and then went on to explain how important it was.

That's why my question was "by what mechanism" do you think he's changed the party. Which was basically just campaigning, disseminating ideas and sparking discussions.

Also, he has absolutely been influential on healthcare.

07-28-2020, 06:15 PM	#6528 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	^That's exactly where I was going with that question. He somehow 'won the party' without having real power but being president would've been worthless? That's the confusion.

07-28-2020, 06:28 PM	#6530 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	You're misunderstanding me. I do see the influence. That was exactly the kind of thing I was referring to as symbolism which you dismissed as something we should get past and then went on to explain how important it was. That's why my question was "by what mechanism" do you think he's changed the party. Which was basically just campaigning, disseminating ideas and sparking discussions. Also, he has absolutely been influential on healthcare.