Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 09-04-2019, 05:32 PM

If that's the case then yes. It may not benefit everyone, especially people already living on the dole. But there are plenty of poor people it would benefit.

I think the welfare loophole is basically just to make it more palatable like I said. It's going to be hard enough to get it passed even the way Yang frames it. Start giving 1k a month to every kid who isn't even paying taxes or contributing to the economy and you make it not only more unlikely to pass, but also much more expensive.

Anteater · 09-04-2019, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it's more palatable to a specific group of already middle class primarily young white men

the bulk of his constituancy

4chan NEETs

There are people of every race and creed all throughout middle America, living in towns and places where jobs are few and opportunities are even fewer. A household with two parents and two high school seniors generates 4k a month just off UBI. When your living in the middle of nowhere and you need money or at least a legitimate economic stimulus in your community, that's a helluva lot better than what Bernie is offering.

~~jwb~~ · 09-04-2019, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it's more palatable to a specific group of already middle class primarily young white men

the bulk of his constituancy

4chan NEETs

it's more palatable to mainstream American presidential politics. And it gives most poor people a good supplement to their income. If Bernie proposed it you would be on board.

~~jwb~~ · 09-04-2019, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm not clear on whether he's including unemployment as well

in which case if you're a laid off Midwest factory worker, you're very likely already receiving 1k from the gov a month

unemployment is temporary by nature. When you get a new job you will benefit.

Honestly I know this is a foreign concept to you but if you just keep throwing more and more money at someone then that eventually gets pretty expensive and people don't have any incentive to earn their own income.

Bottom line is that people on the dole for 1000 bucks a month get zero dollars extra under UBI and zero dollars extra under Bernie's plans. People who work, pay taxes and are still low income benefit under UBI.

~~jwb~~ · 09-04-2019, 09:01 PM

And here's the real bottom line... If it were just a matter of UBI doesn't pay enough or that the requirements are unfair... Sanders would just pay more and change the requirements.

Not only does he know that would be a disaster... He doesn't have faith that Yang's current UBI framework is mainstream enough. So his answer is you can work for the govt. Cause he doesn't want to hand out checks for nothing. Same as his policy on reparations.

The Batlord · 09-04-2019, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Honestly I know this is a foreign concept to you but if you just keep throwing more and more money at someone then that eventually gets pretty expensive and people don't have any incentive to earn their own income.

Honestly I think this is a partially bogus argument. I work ****ing fast food with people you'd imagine would give the least ****s, and while they do, they generally have the infuriating quality of valuing their productivity as a badge of honor, at least on some level. Tell them that they have a worthless job and they're liable to start getting offended no matter how depressing it is to have to get satisfaction from being good at constructing "hamburgers" on the world's least impressive assembly line. People are tied to their self-worth derived from work to a degree that isn't rational. Even I find myself taking pride in this or that bull**** achievement or piece of praise at work sometimes and I hate it.

DwnWthVwls · 09-04-2019, 09:20 PM

They only tell you that because they think your crazy and never know when you may go all juggalo on them. Does that make you feel better?

The Batlord · 09-04-2019, 09:23 PM

Thankfully it doesn't happen very often.

DwnWthVwls · 09-04-2019, 09:27 PM

OccultHawk · 09-04-2019, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

weird argument to make in this case

I'm supporting giving people a job vs. 1k a month

That’s where we part seeing as I’d rather make do with just 1K than work.

09-04-2019, 05:32 PM	#2971 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	If that's the case then yes. It may not benefit everyone, especially people already living on the dole. But there are plenty of poor people it would benefit. I think the welfare loophole is basically just to make it more palatable like I said. It's going to be hard enough to get it passed even the way Yang frames it. Start giving 1k a month to every kid who isn't even paying taxes or contributing to the economy and you make it not only more unlikely to pass, but also much more expensive.

09-04-2019, 09:01 PM	#2975 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	And here's the real bottom line... If it were just a matter of UBI doesn't pay enough or that the requirements are unfair... Sanders would just pay more and change the requirements. Not only does he know that would be a disaster... He doesn't have faith that Yang's current UBI framework is mainstream enough. So his answer is you can work for the govt. Cause he doesn't want to hand out checks for nothing. Same as his policy on reparations.