Political Discussions for "Adults"

grindy · 08-13-2019, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

If you really believe this than it seems to me every person is their own gender since we are all unique which brings us back to: who cares what gender you are?

In my experience its used more as a justification. “You wouldn't understand cause youre not x gender” type stuff when in reality they probably dont understand either since as you said earlier its hard to articulate.

I read a reddit post the other day in which someone identified as a hermaphrodite and their explanation was because they looked androgynous. After a short mostly civil back and fourth we agreed to disagree. Ill have to see if i can still find aome of the justifications used

It's kind of understandable and forgivable for marginalized people to want to cling to some kind of identity-building trait or concept. Which is the reason why gay pride or black pride are much, much less retarded than white or straight pride. Would of course still be great if at some point humanity would be able to leave identities or at least such silly concepts of identity behind altogether.

**Marie Monday** · 08-13-2019, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

Would of course still be great if at some point humanity would be able to leave identities or at least such silly concepts of identity behind altogether.

I agree.
The whole gender matter depends on how you define gender. I think that in an ideal world gender would be equal to sex and there would no other parts of your identity be attached to it. Then there would be two genders (plus hermaphrodites). However, it's sensible to adapt to the fact that gender means more right now, in which case it becomes a more complicated concept with more variations. Still, I think we should keep the ideal in mind where your sex is no part of your identity whatsoever.
A lot of that reasoning is based on my personal experience though. I pretty much identified as a boy as a kid (at least I wanted to) until I realized that I could have my identity in a girl's body if I chose not to conform to gender norms. Puberty might also have played a part, in any case, my attitude towards my own gender shifted at some point.

~~jwb~~ · 08-13-2019, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy

It's kind of understandable and forgivable for marginalized people to want to cling to some kind of identity-building trait or concept. Which is the reason why gay pride or black pride are much, much less retarded than white or straight pride. Would of course still be great if at some point humanity would be able to leave identities or at least such silly concepts of identity behind altogether.

A gay friend of mine once berated me for "not embracing gay culture" cause I'm bi but I don't watch queer as folk and act like a sissy. I told him go **** yourself with your gay culture and your rainbow flag and your leather bound parades. I never signed up for that to be my image or identity and frankly it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.