Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 08-11-2019, 03:31 PM

I thought she was annoying during the debates but she's alright in some of the one in one interviews

To be fair I think her whole new age vibe is something that's existed on the left for a while.

~~jwb~~ · 08-11-2019, 03:43 PM

I actually disagree.

There are likely to be disparities between groups either way, because it's just a random distribution of certain traits and there's no reason for them to be identical.

Like there can be average height differences between groups as well. There's no inherent reason all groups should be equally equipped in every domain.

~~jwb~~ · 08-11-2019, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

the problem is there is no definitive group "black" or "white" etc

these are social identifiers

I agree that's why I said the stuff about french Americans vs Russian Americans and left vs right handed people. You will find arbitrary statistical differences any time you compare two groups of people, imo

The thing to remember is they are statistical differences, not hard rules.

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 04:16 PM

There’s this and that impediment to drawing a convincing conclusion and we jump all over them when science doesn’t align with what we’re comfortable with or even might have the potential to. Hell, we can’t study race. Race isn’t even real. Black people don’t even have darker skin. It’s not like back in Darwin’s day when people were just pulling science out of their ass in accordance to social taboos. We’re all about the truth.

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I agree that's why I said the stuff about french Americans vs Russian Americans and left vs right handed people. You will find arbitrary statistical differences any time you compare two groups of people, imo

The thing to remember is they are statistical differences, not hard rules.

I forget where but I saw this thing we’re German-Americans beat German-Canadians by like 15 IQ points. Variation is definitely the rule. That’s another impediment that social scientists would have to deal with but like who’s really going to bother?

~~jwb~~ · 08-11-2019, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

There’s this and that impediment to drawing a convincing conclusion and we jump all over them when science doesn’t align with what we’re comfortable with or even might have the potential to. Hell, we can’t study race. Race isn’t even real. Black people don’t even have darker skin. It’s not like back in Darwin’s day when people were just pulling science out of their ass in accordance to social taboos. We’re all about the truth.

I'm not saying there isn't some taboo ground there but based on what I've seen, science dismantles the old white supremacists narrative more than it holds it up.

Like the very idea of race has no basis in biology and the way we categorized people by race were largely based on superficial cues that don't match up with specific genetically distinct groups.

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you are the very definition of a racist (OH)

which like, if you didn't get the memo

is belief in a biological basis for race

(a stupid belief)

Right. It’s just by magic that people notice you’re the only white guy in a crowd.

~~jwb~~ · 08-11-2019, 04:34 PM

I don't see why it would any more than less taboo traits like height, dick size, etc. Statistical differences between groups are to be expected.

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 04:39 PM

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race has no basis in biology

Can you link to this study?

I understand that I might have more genetically in common with black people than other white people and the variations go on and on but...

no basis in biology?

Show me the studies.

OccultHawk · 08-11-2019, 04:41 PM

is skin color race? No

are Italians white? Sort of

are white Africans black? No

Just because it’s not easy to study doesn’t mean it’s impossible.

Parameters and definitions would have to be clarified

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08-11-2019, 04:41 PM	#2700 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	is skin color race? No are Italians white? Sort of are white Africans black? No Just because it’s not easy to study doesn’t mean it’s impossible. Parameters and definitions would have to be clarified __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

08-11-2019, 03:31 PM	#2691 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I thought she was annoying during the debates but she's alright in some of the one in one interviews To be fair I think her whole new age vibe is something that's existed on the left for a while.

08-11-2019, 03:43 PM	#2692 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I actually disagree. There are likely to be disparities between groups either way, because it's just a random distribution of certain traits and there's no reason for them to be identical. Like there can be average height differences between groups as well. There's no inherent reason all groups should be equally equipped in every domain.

08-11-2019, 04:34 PM	#2698 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I don't see why it would any more than less taboo traits like height, dick size, etc. Statistical differences between groups are to be expected.