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~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 06:37 PM

Yeh but in this case Chomsky was the only one making sense

OccultHawk · 08-09-2019, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Yeh but in this case Chomsky was the only one making sense

As a linguist Chomsky is sometimes accused of hiding behind complexity.

I’ll give a cookie to whomever can work through his semantic equations.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 06:42 PM

He isn't hiding behind anything in his critique of post modernists. He uses very simple language to spell out how they try to dismantle any sort of attempt at finding the truth in any domain.

The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 06:45 PM

I mean the basic point of post-modernism is that it's trying to describe human nature and existence that is or has been previously indescribable by words due to how ****ing abstract it is, so if it sounds like nonsense then maybe it's because of how poorly words describe abstract ideas in the first place. Or am I off base?

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 06:50 PM

It's not just that. They basically under value science and any sort of objective attempt at truth on the basis that these notions are being propped up by the white male dominated institutions that propagate them.

Nevermind the fact that virtually all the great post modernist thinkers were themselves white males from the very same institutions

OccultHawk · 08-09-2019, 06:53 PM

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Foccult

#FoccultHawkSuperGenius

The Batlord · 08-09-2019, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

it would more say that the way we think about human nature and existence is obviously under the influence of our language

Well of course as it would be one more thing acting as a funhouse mirror to help us understand ourselves that also distorts our self image, but the point is that we're trying to put words to things that are only somewhat less easy to describe than dreams. Or even harder, I don't know. Dreams are one person's thing whereas society is the dream of 7 billion people with wildly different dreams.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 06:58 PM

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well Foccult was gay in a time and place where it certainly wasn't open

how much of what you know about postmodernism is from reading these guys and how much is it just listening to their critics?

yeh and Einstein was a Jew in a time and place where that wasn't optimal. They don't care about that

more from the latter though tbh.

OccultHawk · 08-09-2019, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

I mean the basic point of post-modernism is that it's trying to describe human nature and existence that is or has been previously indescribable by words due to how ****ing abstract it is, so if it sounds like nonsense then maybe it's because of how poorly words describe abstract ideas in the first place. Or am I off base?

That’s exactly what Heidegger was saying we needed to do. Stretch the boundaries of language. Attempts to do it aren’t always going to be perfect and yeah there’s going to be baloney mixed in. Even Choms can bigot.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't agree wholesale that there is no truth,

so you basically disagree with the Crux of their argument

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Yeh but in this case Chomsky was the only one making sense

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	He isn't hiding behind anything in his critique of post modernists. He uses very simple language to spell out how they try to dismantle any sort of attempt at finding the truth in any domain.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	It's not just that. They basically under value science and any sort of objective attempt at truth on the basis that these notions are being propped up by the white male dominated institutions that propagate them. Nevermind the fact that virtually all the great post modernist thinkers were themselves white males from the very same institutions