Political Discussions for "Adults"

DwnWthVwls · 08-09-2019, 05:57 AM

Idk man. I remember one talk about makeup in the work place and how women only wear it to appear sexy to men. I can acknowledge there is probably some truth to that but it lacks nuance and even if it isnt pro-incel its certainly something theyd adopt.

Lucem Ferre · 08-09-2019, 06:04 AM

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Idk man. I remember one talk about makeup in the work place and how women only wear it to appear sexy to men. I can acknowledge there is probably some truth to that but it lacks nuance and even if it isnt pro-incel its certainly something theyd adopt.

Damn, beat me to it.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 06:26 AM

I saw that interview. Saying that make up plays on some obvious biological and sexual cues isn't telling men they are entitled to rape women. I agree it wasn't his best quote and he should know people are going to read into anything he says beyond what he means but I think your interpretation lacks the same kind of nuance you're accusing me of lacking. You just take the worst possible interpretation and run with it.

Which is what interviews like that are really designed to do... Which is why they took an hour of footage and edited it down to 7 minutes.

DwnWthVwls · 08-09-2019, 06:35 AM

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I saw that interview. Saying that make up plays on some obvious biological and sexual cues isn't telling men they are entitled to rape women. I agree it wasn't his best quote and he should know people are going to read into anything he says beyond what he means but I think your interpretation lacks the same kind of nuance you're accusing me of lacking. You just take the worst possible interpretation and run with it.

Which is what interviews like that are really designed to do... Which is why they took an hour of footage and edited it down to 7 minutes.

Not entitled to rape but it was a lame attempt to justify sexual harassment, catcalling, etc

What is it that you think he means?

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 07:01 AM

@Lucem I've heard him talk specifically about incels and he's said the opposite. That it's a man's own fault if women don't find them attractive.

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Not entitled to rape but it was a lame attempt to justify sexual harassment, catcalling, etc

What is it that you think he means?

I don't think he was defending any of that. He was basically trying to inject some nuance into the discussion over what is acceptable forms of sexuality in the workplace. You can accuse him of being a prude, but not of advocating any sort of harassment.

DwnWthVwls · 08-09-2019, 07:07 AM

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@Lucem I've heard him talk specifically about incels and he's said the opposite. That it's a man's own fault if women don't find them attractive.

I don't think he was defending any of that. He was basically trying to inject some nuance into the discussion over what is acceptable forms of sexuality in the workplace. You can accuse him of being a prude, but not of advocating any sort of harassment.

Possibly. Its been a while maybe im missremembering. I dont see how you can take a paoition against makeup though if that was his point. I didnt say he was advocating harassment i said he was justifying it (with his hyper prude position) and that incels could very easily use his speech to advocate for harassment.

OccultHawk · 08-09-2019, 06:47 AM

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I saw that interview. Saying that make up plays on some obvious biological and sexual cues isn't telling men they are entitled to rape women. I agree it wasn't his best quote and he should know people are going to read into anything he says beyond what he means but I think your interpretation lacks the same kind of nuance you're accusing me of lacking. You just take the worst possible interpretation and run with it.

Which is what interviews like that are really designed to do... Which is why they took an hour of footage and edited it down to 7 minutes.

Can you dig up the link?

Anteater · 08-09-2019, 07:00 AM

My problem with Peterson is that cultural Marxism doesn't really mean anything. It's a weird umbrella term he throws everything and the kitchen sink under when what he's really railing against is intersectionality.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 07:03 AM

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Can you dig up the link?

I'm at work... Maybe later. I think it was a Vox interview

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My problem with Peterson is that cultural Marxism doesn't really mean anything. It's a weird umbrella term he throws everything and the kitchen sink under when what he's really railing against is intersectionality.

Zizek called him out on that in their debate. It was the only strong moment Zizek had in the debate. Other than that he completely failed to defend Communism.

~~jwb~~ · 08-09-2019, 05:35 PM

I would have to agree. He spouts incomprehensible jibberish and dresses it up as Marxism. He hangs posters of Stalin on his wall ffs.

08-09-2019, 06:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I saw that interview. Saying that make up plays on some obvious biological and sexual cues isn't telling men they are entitled to rape women. I agree it wasn't his best quote and he should know people are going to read into anything he says beyond what he means but I think your interpretation lacks the same kind of nuance you're accusing me of lacking. You just take the worst possible interpretation and run with it. Which is what interviews like that are really designed to do... Which is why they took an hour of footage and edited it down to 7 minutes.

08-09-2019, 05:35 PM	#10 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I would have to agree. He spouts incomprehensible jibberish and dresses it up as Marxism. He hangs posters of Stalin on his wall ffs.