Political Discussions for "Adults"

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:55 PM

I'm not saying they're not replaceable at all but there is a vastly smaller pool of applicants, hence higher wages.

It's really very simple, the harder you are to replace the more the soulless corperations will pay for you.

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

You're just ignoring my point. There will always be someone there to cut them. The second there isn't, they will automate.

The workers are less powerful precisely because they're more replaceable, not vice versa.

And the value of their work is once again based on the market and what people will pay for the product they produce.

No, they just like to make you think they're less replaceable. They get replaced all the time.

**Frownland** · 07-31-2019, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

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I knew it!

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I'm not saying they're not replaceable at all but there is a vastly smaller pool of applicants, hence higher wages.

My crew outlasted management. Literally the only difference between us and the people that run the other parts is typically a degree. I assure you they're easily replaced. Just as sure as I know my bosses had no ****ing clue how the production line runs.

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 01:00 PM

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i knew it!

lol

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 01:00 PM

You might know I used to teach history. So when I started that job I took an interest in how the restaurant came to be. I started asking all the managers and chefs and workers about the history of the restaurant then I went on a mad google spree and pieced it together.

The original brothers who opened the retardant were connected to group of pro-segregationist white male Southern Baptist politicians called the Pork Chop Gang

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_Chop_Gang

In exchange for political favors the “entrepreneurs” who handed this establishment down to its current owners were given a sweetheart deal monopolizing a huge swath of waterfront property and a marina. They were given the location and the access to the sea (and the fish in it) simply for being connected white males. So the entrepreneurial advantage awarded to them by a Jim Crow corrupt government was a perfect location and control of a huge fishing dock, and they didn’t even have to compete. It was ****ing gift wrapped.

So truthfully, given those advantages, I think I’d be making millions of dollars a year just like they are. And considering how the human brain works I’d probably think I earned every cent. Even more than $500 a day if you can believe it.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

let's imagine all workers are unionized such that there will not be someone to replace them

and lets assume it is a job that can not yet be automated

does not the profits shared by the workers increase?

yes. Like I said unions work and minimum wage works to a certain extent. But you are imagining something that isn't our reality and isn't very likely to be. I'm talking about the world we actually live in.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

No, they just like to make you think they're less replaceable. They get replaced all the time.

they get replaced by other people who the company finds qualified to do their job

Which still makes them harder to replace than you

If you honestly believe the company would rather pay you more instead of replacing you then you should demand a raise. Not being facetious. It does work when they actually think it's worth it to keep you.

Lucem Ferre · 07-31-2019, 01:05 PM

If you're saying the ability to exploit, cheat and inhere is a valuable talent in a capitalist society I can agree but we're talking about what should be not what currently is.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

like bottom line, don't confuse the practical workings of Capitalism, with what both parties are theoretically worth in the equation

the equation is based on the practical workings of capitalism. Which you keep ignoring

I'm perfectly familiar with what Marxists believe. I think they're wrong in some very pragmatic ways.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I'm not saying they're not replaceable at all but there is a vastly smaller pool of applicants, hence higher wages. It's really very simple, the harder you are to replace the more the soulless corperations will pay for you.