Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug McClasky

So you did not make the restaurant $10,000 a day is what you're saying.

No. I didn’t. But the total of fish I prepped was worth around that figure.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 11:51 AM

But that ignores that your labor isn't what's most valuable in this equation cause it's easily replaced.

It's more valuable to have an establishment capable of selling that fish for 10k than to be able to cut up 10k worth of fish. Otherwise you wouldn't work there.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Not only that. You are more expendable than the restaurant. They can get some other sucker in there to do the same job for the same wage.

That's what wage slaves don't understand. The money you make isn't related to the profit your work generates. It's how hard you are to replace. If you could make 10k in a night without the restaurant you wouldn't work there. You need them more than they need you.

Do you think there’s any possible way I don’t understand that?

That’s why at the outset I explicitly said in a democratic collective cooperative.

I’m imagining the situation outside of a capitalist framework.

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If it were a collective democratic cooperative

Got it?

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb

I'm not holding you accountable I'm asking

You're pro free college but anti compulsory education k-12? Don't you think a ton more kids won't even make it to college if they aren't forced to go to school when they're young?

I don’t care if two entirely hypothetical what ifs in my mind don’t play into each other. I think concerning yourself with inconsistencies and apparent hypocrisies will make you a simplistic linear thinker. I’m a citizen for a non-linear future. I’m a complicated brother.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

fish don't get cut if workers don't cut it

labor theory of value

your work has an inherent worth regardless of the market factors

often times workers have to unionize in order to even the scales such that they are paid the value of their labor and not the market's extortion

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~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Do you think there’s any possible way I don’t understand that?

That’s why at the outset I explicitly said in a democratic collective cooperative.

I’m imagining the situation outside of a capitalist framework.

Got it?

you're imagining a place that makes money selling fish outside the capitalist framework. Got it.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

you're imagining a place that makes money selling fish outside the capitalist framework. Got it.

In this case it’s called a cooperative.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

your work has an inherent worth regardless of the market factors

No it doesn't. The entire premise of labor theory of value rests the idea a commodity is made more valuable to a consumer based on your labor. That premise only makes sense in the context of a market.

~~jwb~~ · 07-31-2019, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

In this case it’s called a cooperative.

Call it what you want. Cooperatives exist within the capitalist framework and they aren't competitive with the corperations if the world. You don't deserve that much money for cutting fish cause it's an easily replaced low skill job.

OccultHawk · 07-31-2019, 12:08 PM

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	But that ignores that your labor isn't what's most valuable in this equation cause it's easily replaced. It's more valuable to have an establishment capable of selling that fish for 10k than to be able to cut up 10k worth of fish. Otherwise you wouldn't work there.