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Old 08-17-2017, 02:37 PM   #541 (permalink)
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Not everyone who was there protesting on the "alt-right" side was a Nazi or white supremacist. That's the truth, but it runs counter to the narrative the media are trying to spin.
I haven't even Breitbart try to discredit that it was a white supremacist rally. Keep breaking that ground ant.
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Old 08-17-2017, 02:42 PM   #542 (permalink)
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It's true, I absolutely love debate. It can be very informative and eye-opening if both sides are willing to participate like adults.
But no-one's eyes ever get opened much here. Everyone is pretty dug in so it ends up coming off more like just arguing for aguments sake.
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Old 08-17-2017, 02:45 PM   #543 (permalink)
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I haven't even Breitbart try to discredit that it was a white supremacist rally. Keep breaking that ground ant.
Did you see weapons in the hands of every single person protesting the Robert E. Lee statue's takedown? I didn't see that to be the case, least in all the vids I've seen. We should respect the rights of people who want to protest (for whatever reason they want to protest) as long as its done peacefully. The problem is when people resort to violence, which is where they crossed the line.

Again, a little nuance goes a long way here. I've followed the story extensively and just pointing out inconsistencies.
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Old 08-17-2017, 02:46 PM   #544 (permalink)
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But no-one's eyes ever get opened much here. Everyone is pretty dug in so it ends up coming off more like just arguing for aguments sake.
I can see why you feel that way given how you approach debate. I have had 5 star debates with DWV, grindy, Janzsoon, and tore (who might be before your time) to name a few where I came out of the discussion with a different viewpoint. It's actually why this thread was made in the first place, because people who weren't approaching debate constructively were dominating the conversation and DWV wanted to actually learn something instead of read boring personal insult based ****storms.
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Did you see weapons in the hands of every single person protesting the Robert E. Lee statue's takedown?
I saw one guy who had a wheel in his hands.
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Did you see weapons in the hands of every single person protesting the Robert E. Lee statue's takedown? I didn't see that to be the case, least in all the vids I've seen. We should respect the rights of people who want to protest (for whatever reason they want to protest) as long as its done peacefully. The problem is when people resort to violence, which is where they crossed the line.

Again, a little nuance goes a long way here. I've followed the story extensively and just pointing out inconsistencies.
So you have to have a weapon to be a white supremacist? That must be what you mean or else "Did you see weapons in the hands of every single person protesting" is a rather odd non sequitur when challenged on saying that not every protestor was a Nazi.
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So you have to have a weapon to be a white supremacist? That must be what you mean or else "Did you see weapons in the hands of every single person protesting" is a rather odd non sequitur when challenged on saying that not every protestor was a Nazi.
I'm saying its dumb to make assumptions about the motivations of thousands of different individuals who were there when only a minority of people on both sides were engaged in bad behavior. Anyone who wasn't armed was there to protest peacefully, no? The only ones engaging in politically-motivated violence were the armed Neo-Nazis and ANTIFA / BLM.
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I can see why you feel that way given how you approach debate.
I joined a forum. Not a debate club. Maybe stop engaging me all the time if I'm not up to your adult standards.

I'm going to put my opinions out there and you will not change my mind so don't bother anymore. We disagree on a lot of stuff. So what. Stop trying, ok?
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I joined a forum. Not a debate club. Maybe stop engaging me all the time if I'm not up to your adult standards.
That's fine, but this is a discussion forum so maybe you came to the wrong place. Might I recommend Facebook? You can keep your thoughts all in one place and delete everything anyone else tries to post on your page.

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I won't stop but the same ends can be accomplished if you practice what you're preaching here.
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