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07-16-2022, 10:53 AM | #9781 (permalink) |
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Or grassy sex on the gay knoll. Or smoking grass on the... you know what? There are a lot of reasons. Read his lips: he's dead. Now rejoice.
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07-16-2022, 02:11 PM | #9782 (permalink) | |
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07-16-2022, 02:23 PM | #9783 (permalink) | |
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Was he Allen Dulles levels of anti-communism? Those were some crazy evil ****s in the CIA and even with the Bay of Pigs already probably a lost they were still gung ho to make it work until Kennedy cancelled the air strikes on Cuba. After that he was super distrustful of the CIA and the military leaders and they may have seen him as a liability.
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07-16-2022, 02:48 PM | #9784 (permalink) |
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Does it have to be one or the other? I remember reading the CIA hired east coast mobsters to do the odd assassination (even in a couple of their many failed attempts on Castro). Plus the CIA clearly had very close ties with quite a few mobbed-up tycoons.
Of all the million things that don't make sense about the assassination the one that sticks out to me is Oswald's official biography. Makes zero sense. It reads like a cover story of a fake defector, and if he was a CIA man then, I don't believe he wouldn't have been used by the CIA during the assassination. The motive? JFK's second term. They were afraid he would shut the CIA down, which he must've at least considered after the Bay of Pigs. Vietnam is another big one. It does seem probable to me that he had a change of heart on that and wanted to pull out after getting reelected. Last edited by jadis; 07-16-2022 at 03:11 PM. |
07-16-2022, 03:33 PM | #9785 (permalink) |
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07-16-2022, 06:04 PM | #9787 (permalink) |
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Yeah Italy was a priority cause it was the western European country with the strongest communist party, stronger than even the French one.
The CIA (or maybe even the OSS, don't remember) even laundered money through the Vatican Bank to arm whatever mafia clans and Fascist militias they ended up arming. |
07-17-2022, 05:30 AM | #9788 (permalink) | |
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Not so sure about that one. The biggest hawk in LBJ's administration was Robert McNamara and he was actually a Kennedy guy. |
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07-17-2022, 09:19 AM | #9789 (permalink) | |
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"Which US official in this or that administration said what when" is an area where I'm completely out of my depth. But an interesting thing I learned from reading up on the death gasps of the French colonial empire is that 1) JFK was a well-informed and articulate critic of US bankrolling of the French military in Indochina and Algeria even before his election as president, he believed that the European colonial project lost all legitimacy 2) JFK had warm personal relations with a few Third World leaders like Sukarno and Nkrumah. He took those people seriously and had respect for the national liberation movements in those countries because he assumed they would join the capitalist order if you offer them the right conditions. In other words, he had his reservations about the Domino Theory and didn't view the postcolonial countries as Soviet pawns in the making (which is the only way someone like Dulles regarded them). So in that sense it's about much more than Vietnam, where obviously no one doubted the communist presence. |
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07-20-2022, 10:01 PM | #9790 (permalink) |
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