Political Discussions for "Adults"

rubber soul · 05-17-2022, 08:20 AM

It's basically some Charles Mansoneque theory if you will. They make it sound political, but it's really racial. You have to remember, slavery is the Americans' original sin (followed very closely by the genocide we pulled on the Native Americans)

~~jwb~~ · 05-17-2022, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

I have a question about the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory. Are the conspiratards actually trying to give some reasons why those "shadowy elites" are replacing white people? In the US it seems to be at least partly about the dumbass rhetoric that the democrats try to increase their voter base. Is this the only reason they give, even in other countries? Or is it, as so often, that the conspiratards don't really care about asking why and just assume the "elites" are evil.

I read up a bit on Wikipedia etc. but didn't really find an answer and to be honest I'm a bit too disgusted to really do a deep dive into this topic.

It's actually a subtle plot to get rid of Canada

basically the plan is once we are filled with Mexicans, we will become the new Mexico and Canada would become the new America, and the new Canada wouldn't exist..

grindy · 05-17-2022, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

It's basically some Charles Mansoneque theory if you will. They make it sound political, but it's really racial. You have to remember, slavery is the Americans' original sin (followed very closely by the genocide we pulled on the Native Americans)

Of course it's about racism. Was just wondering whether they at least try to rationalize it.

~~jwb~~ · 05-17-2022, 01:04 PM

I don't know what does and doesn't count as great replacement theory... But Ann Coulter definitely campaigned hard for trump on the idea that the Democrats are basically using immigrants to change the demographics so it's more favorable to Democrats. Which supposedly goes back to some 1965 legislation that made it so immigration wasn't just from white countries or whatever....

Also she uses liberals gloating about how "the Browning of America" is going to make the republican party no longer able to compete as a piece of circumstantial evidence

~~jwb~~ · 05-17-2022, 02:35 PM

Actually that's not gonna be true going forward. Unlike black people, Mexicans actually thrive as an invasive species in white trailer parks.

The Batlord · 05-17-2022, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by grindy

I have a question about the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory. Are the conspiratards actually trying to give some reasons why those "shadowy elites" are replacing white people? In the US it seems to be at least partly about the dumbass rhetoric that the democrats try to increase their voter base. Is this the only reason they give, even in other countries? Or is it, as so often, that the conspiratards don't really care about asking why and just assume the "elites" are evil.

I read up a bit on Wikipedia etc. but didn't really find an answer and to be honest I'm a bit too disgusted to really do a deep dive into this topic.

It's the same level of intellectualism that leads to "You can't spell 'crap' without 'rap'". The reasoning is fuzzy and flexible enough that your average, non-bat**** Republican can think that illegals are invading the country to take it over and/or the Democrats are secret communists who hate this country and want to destroy it and turn it into a vague Stalinist boogeyman, but you can probably argue them down to the Democrats just want enough illegals to take Texas so they can raise everyone's taxes or whatever.

And then as soon as you leave the room they go right back to believing crazy **** without any ill effects to their cognitive dissonance. And again I'm not talking about Qanon psychos, I'm talking normal conservatives. It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to give them a satisfying narrative.

TheBig3 · 05-17-2022, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by rubber soul

If the statistics are right, whites will no longer be a majority by 2045 and that is freaking a lot of whites out. In 1980 nearly 80% of the US was white. Today that figure is at 57% thanks, in large part, to Hispanic immigration. The reasons minorities tend to lean Democrat is that the Republicans seem to want to make their lives miserable. Instead of trying to expand the base by pushing conservative values (and you'd be surprised at how many blacks and Hispanics are, in fact conservative. many Mexicans are devout Catholics for example (anti-abortion, etc.). Instead, they push for their deportation or wanting to the deny minorities basic rights that whites take for granted. Needless to say, many whites buy into that and fall into the Qanon trap. Anyway, it boils down to the demographics, or at least the alarmist version of that.

The problem with this is that, increasingly, Hispanic people consider themselves white, and will be counted as white to maintain hegemony. This is not unprecedented in US History. In the early part of the 20th Century, USSJC cases were held about "who gets to be white." During that time, Cubans were extended "Whitehood" because of Cuba's history as a slave-holding nation. [It's a fact they were given white status, I can't prove it was because of Cuba's slave-holding legacy, but from everything I've read that is almost certain the reason.]

Also, look at who counted as white in various racist locations. In the U.S. where Whiteness was a given majority, any drop of non-black white blood meant "not white." But in regions where Whiteness was a minority, just as the British Caribbean, or South Africa a white parent meant you were included in the ruling class. Hispanics in the United States will be no different. It's already occurring.

**Frownland** · 05-17-2022, 11:35 PM

There's being german, then there's acting like you're swarthy.

~~jwb~~ · 05-18-2022, 12:21 AM

The important part is that no matter how many Mexicans we let into camp white, black people will always be excluded and that's what America is all about.

TheBig3 · 05-18-2022, 04:31 PM

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There's being german, then there's acting like you're swarthy.

You have to love that quote. The Swedes, Russians, Germans, and French - Aren't White! I wish someone asked him who WAS white and was it just those of Great Britian?

Not listed there, though I'm sure they'd be in the not-white camp are the Welsh and Irish. But I'll learn on our British friends to chime in.

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The important part is that no matter how many Mexicans we let into camp white, black people will always be excluded and that's what America is all about.

Yeah, I think that really is the American way. In the US Caste system, you can rob the 3rd and 4th tier castes blind so long as there is a 5th caste. And their the ones - the lower classes - that fight to keep the system in place.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I don't know what does and doesn't count as great replacement theory... But Ann Coulter definitely campaigned hard for trump on the idea that the Democrats are basically using immigrants to change the demographics so it's more favorable to Democrats. Which supposedly goes back to some 1965 legislation that made it so immigration wasn't just from white countries or whatever.... Also she uses liberals gloating about how "the Browning of America" is going to make the republican party no longer able to compete as a piece of circumstantial evidence

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Actually that's not gonna be true going forward. Unlike black people, Mexicans actually thrive as an invasive species in white trailer parks.

05-18-2022, 12:21 AM	#9609 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	The important part is that no matter how many Mexicans we let into camp white, black people will always be excluded and that's what America is all about.