Political Discussions for "Adults"

TheBig3 · 09-03-2021, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

US regulation on food doesn't differ that much from the EU

though it's fair to ask how much obesity would burden a universal healthcare system

I would think there'd just be a higher incentive for doctors to address it

The total economic cost of obesity is estimated at $1.72 trillion per year, or 9.3 percent of gross domestic product.

In the private sector, subsidies enabled mass production and stockpiling of food in preparation for food scarcity during the next global conflict. The postwar industrialization of food led to a domestic food market rife with highly processed, carbohydrate-laden, shelf-stable and convenient foods.

It may be hard to imagine, but sugar can be considered more deadly than opioids. Sugar has become infamous in the American diet, leading to a severe rise in cases of type 2 diabetes. Opioids kill over 100 people a day. But sugar, which is just as addictive and even more deadly. Type 2 diabetes alone kills at least twice as many Americans as opioid overdoses on any given day.

TheBig3 · 09-03-2021, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

you're right Europe doesn't have sugar

https://taxfoundation.org/soda-taxes-europe-2019/

The Batlord · 09-03-2021, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I mean, you're asking me to agree to a always/never statement. I think people who complain about the media always are like "dId yOu hEaR hEr tOnE oN tHaT sTaTeMeNt?!?!? sHe'S a cOrpOrAte sHiLl!!!!"

You'd have to explain to me what tank you thought the media was in. But this unified "The withdrawral is a disaster!" - pulling in veterans and people from both sides of the aisle - in the face of 70% approval rates is just so obvious its mind blowing.

As for them being Establishment, are you still a shill if you believe it? The problem with being Establishment is that the fringe wings usually can't give you policy answers. And for better or worse the Left-wing journalists are dying to show the right-wing voter how even handed they can be. That's not reporting what corporate America wants, it's asking how M4A is going to work when you've said nothing about regulating any of the U.S. food. And you can't have 39g Coca Colas and universal healthcare.

They're in the tank for PMC culture where capitalism is good with proper regulation, imperialism is a leftist conspiracy, and social progress is when some puff piece about a minority going to Harvard makes you feel good instead of sad. They don't have to be paid off cause imagining that the country that gave them such a nice middle class life is actually doing something bad isn't something they're generally willing to do.

Anteater · 09-03-2021, 03:58 PM

Fatties ain't going away. If anything, there's more of them now.

~~jwb~~ · 09-03-2021, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I mean, you're asking me to agree to a always/never statement. I think people who complain about the media always are like "dId yOu hEaR hEr tOnE oN tHaT sTaTeMeNt?!?!? sHe'S a cOrpOrAte sHiLl!!!!"

You'd have to explain to me what tank you thought the media was in. But this unified "The withdrawral is a disaster!" - pulling in veterans and people from both sides of the aisle - in the face of 70% approval rates is just so obvious its mind blowing.

As for them being Establishment, are you still a shill if you believe it? The problem with being Establishment is that the fringe wings usually can't give you policy answers. And for better or worse the Left-wing journalists are dying to show the right-wing voter how even handed they can be. That's not reporting what corporate America wants, it's asking how M4A is going to work when you've said nothing about regulating any of the U.S. food. And you can't have 39g Coca Colas and universal healthcare.

70% is the stat for whether people think we should pull out, right?

People can think we should pull out while the actual execution is botched and gets negative media coverage. I don't think there's anything corrupt about that lol it's very clearly a juicy headline when people are clinging to the wheels of planes trying to evacuate.

The Batlord · 09-03-2021, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

70% is the stat for whether people think we should pull out, right?

People can think we should pull out while the actual execution is botched and gets negative media coverage. I don't think there's anything corrupt about that lol it's very clearly a juicy headline when people are clinging to the wheels of planes trying to evacuate.

Honestly I think you're just trying to justify your own interest since you haven't really said anything that wasn't a CNN headline and it's kind of embarrassing if your only talking points are just CNN bylines. Almost like your opinion is a mirage given to you by cable news.

TheBig3 · 09-03-2021, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

70% is the stat for whether people think we should pull out, right?

People can think we should pull out while the actual execution is botched and gets negative media coverage. I don't think there's anything corrupt about that lol it's very clearly a juicy headline when people are clinging to the wheels of planes trying to evacuate.

While I can understand this argument, it doesn't seem to be able to travel far. The withdrawal was botched. Let's assume it was due to incompetence* It could have been three times as bad and I'd still be left with two thoughts:

1. It was right to leave
2. Biden was the only President that did it

*I'm not going to the mat to argue it wasn't incompetence, but I know Biden felt Obama was jammed by the Generals on his withdrawal. And I'm certain the Bay of Pigs-to-Cuban Missile crisis was on his mind. I suspect that, in some part, Biden just said "I don't care how bad it is - get out" as a checkmate to the Generals, who very well could have tried to make this bad to keep the war going. Again, even if this is all Biden's fault, so what? We're out. And that's the right call. 20 years of ****-ups, and the doddering Oldest President we've ever had got the job done when your saviors couldn't.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

They're in the tank for PMC culture where capitalism is good with proper regulation, imperialism is a leftist conspiracy, and social progress is when some puff piece about a minority going to Harvard makes you feel good instead of sad. They don't have to be paid off cause imagining that the country that gave them such a nice middle class life is actually doing something bad isn't something they're generally willing to do.

That's a fair argument. But it's still an issue of relativity. I haven't seen any push for some other issue like there was for the "Leaving Afghanistan is miserable!"

~~jwb~~ · 09-03-2021, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Honestly I think you're just trying to justify your own interest since you haven't really said anything that wasn't a CNN headline and it's kind of embarrassing if your only talking points are just CNN bylines. Almost like your opinion is a mirage given to you by cable news.

Justify my own interest? The **** are you on about lol you are just in denial about the fact that the withdrawal was botched.

You aren't even a Biden dick rider so i can only assume you are just being stubborn and don't want to admit you were wrong.

~~jwb~~ · 09-03-2021, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

While I can understand this argument, it doesn't seem to be able to travel far. The withdrawal was botched. Let's assume it was due to incompetence* It could have been three times as bad and I'd still be left with two thoughts:

1. It was right to leave
2. Biden was the only President that did it

*I'm not going to the mat to argue it wasn't incompetence, but I know Biden felt Obama was jammed by the Generals on his withdrawal. And I'm certain the Bay of Pigs-to-Cuban Missile crisis was on his mind. I suspect that, in some part, Biden just said "I don't care how bad it is - get out" as a checkmate to the Generals, who very well could have tried to make this bad to keep the war going. Again, even if this is all Biden's fault, so what? We're out. And that's the right call. 20 years of ****-ups, and the doddering Oldest President we've ever had got the job done when your saviors couldn't.

That's a fair argument. But it's still an issue of relativity. I haven't seen any push for some other issue like there was for the "Leaving Afghanistan is miserable!"

Again, saying it's a good thing in the long term that we are out is fine but that doesn't mean the media isn't going to cover the ****ed up **** that is happening in the meantime right now... I don't understand why anyone would expect any different. They aren't picking on Biden. Any president who presided over this mess would have gotten the same coverage. I dare say it would have been even juicier if Trump had done it.

As for the idea that Biden was just so committed to getting out that he would accept how bad it got .. to me it really looks at it they just had really poor intelligence and completely underestimated the severity of the situation. If they had anticipated it i would think they would have been a little more prepared than they were...

I will say they did a decent job turning it around after the initial botch... The mass evacuations since then have been more successful... Something like 100k people from what i heard. I dunno if this will actually impact Biden that much long term or not but i refuse to sit here and praise him for this ****... Even the simple decision of pulling out... An easy decision to make at this point. Like you said very popular support for ending the war after 20 years. It's not that Biden is any wiser than Obama imo it's just a matter of timing.

Anteater · 09-03-2021, 11:44 PM

The funny thing to me about the whole withdrawal debacle is that if Biden wants to blame the Trump admin for setting things up for failure, then that's basically just admitting his own administration is just as incompetent as the Tang Fuhrer's because he didn't come up with a better means to make it happen smoothly.