Frownland

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_anarchism

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Chula Vista

Oxymoron alert.

Kinda like the music genre "un-black metal".

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

You're about 63% right.

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MicShazam

"Social anarchism (sometimes referred to as socialist anarchism)[1] is a non-state form of socialism[2] and is considered to be the branch of anarchism that sees individual freedom as being dependent upon mutual aid.[3]

Social anarchist thought emphasizes community and social equality as complementary to autonomy and personal freedom.[3] They also advocate the conversion of present-day private property into social property or the commons, while retaining respect for personal property.[4] "

Hmm... ok, I see. I have a feeling that any social anarchist society would soon devolve into pure anarchism unless something else breaks it apart first. No way humans will just agree to be nice to each other just out of a kind heart for any exteneded period of time. The strong will attempt to place themselves on top, the weak will be trampled underfoot.

Frownland

That's what the thunderdome is for.

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Chula Vista

So Rex Tillerson is in China meeting with North Korean officials trying to smooth over all of the recent Trump rhetoric using a diplomatic approach. That's the job of the US Secretary of State. Kudos.

Cool. Maybe both sides will calm their jets and let things go back to a simmer as opposed to the current rolling boil.

Maybe, there's hope.






Nope.

Trump's today: "Rex Tillerson is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man. Save your energy Rex, we’ll do what has to be done!”

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

MicShazam

Trump is a bigger danger to world peace than North Korea ever was.

Then who's going to make sure the workers retain ownership of the means of production? That's the problem with anarchism right there.

I hate governments, but they are necessary. Anarchy and true libertarianism could never work.

MicShazam

Some group will band together and decide that they will now take control of the means of production. Who will stop them? The workers aren't organised to utilize their power to resist a hostile takeover. They will end up being exploited. That's how social anarchism ends.

Pardon me if I'm a pessimist, but I think human beings need to be better than they actually are for anarchism to work.

EDIT: Didn't catch your own edit there, so here's a response to that.

"And I know "society different than what I'm used to could never work" is a popular argument but anarchic societies have literally worked in history so you're just wrong"

I would love to believe that it's possible, but power hungriness, aggressiveness, greed, bigotry and prejudice is inherently human and I fail to see how such a system would not break apart on it's own in time. Sure, the US might have cute attempts at same short by intervening at various times in the past, but do you really think anarchist socialism would have lasted without any sort of outside meddling pulling it apart? It's a nice dream for sure.

Another thing: I'm sure that the best way to structure a society is something we haven't done yet. No societal model we've done yet really, truly worked.

The Batlord

One charismatic sociopath populist and the workers will bend over backwards to eat ****.

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Chula Vista

Just yesterday Tillerson reported that all lines are open and discussions were going well. Ya, I know, that and $4.79 will get you a Starbucks. But it's a step in the right direction.

Less than 24 hours later Trump undermines his SOS and tells him he's wasting his time, while tossing more insults at KJU.

The rest of the world is watching and wondering whether it's even worth it to negotiate with Tillerson since Trump just rendered him a complete politcal limp dick.

HTF are there still people in the US dumb enough to turn a blind eye to all of this and stand behind the tool in chief?

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”