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Trollheart 09-30-2017 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Man like Monkey (Post 1878500)
You've got to feel for them tbh. Some of the lads I've seen on the articles doing interviews don't even necessarily want independence, just want to have a vote, and they're being silenced, which legitimises the independence movement and the idea that they don't have freedom.

I wonder what the lads in the Basque Country are thinking?

A resurgence in support for the rebirth of ETA?

Cuthbert 10-01-2017 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 1878549)
A resurgence in support for the rebirth of ETA?

Not sure but support for independence there must be growing seeing all this?

Mental scenes in Catalonia is anyone watching? Not sure what I was expecting, but wasn't expecting it to be as bad as that. Videos all over Twitter of people bloodied, being thrown around and hit with batons. Rubber bullets as well.

Cuthbert 10-01-2017 05:33 AM

#BREAKING-#Catalan President Carles Puigdemont says "We will declare independence within 48 hours of announcing results of independence vote

Barcelona play later though might be postponed, Las Palmas are planning to wear Spanish flags on their kits, in support of Spain. They just posted a photo on their Twitter.

Frownland 10-01-2017 09:01 AM

I respect Spain's sovereignty and understand why they'd be driven to try to stop the vote, but the way they're handling it is awful. Counterintuitive too, this will only drive more people (including formerly neutral Catalonians) to support Catalonia.

MicShazam 10-01-2017 10:26 AM

That mess in Spain has an uncomfortably authoritatian police state feel to it. It makes me sad to see this kind of thing happen in one of the most stable and peaceful parts of Europe. I thought we were above this kind of thing. Proof that governments are never your friend, honestly. It doesn't even matter whether the Catalan vote has constitutional backing or not, it's how the government tries to shut it down that says everything.

The Batlord 10-01-2017 10:44 AM

If this were any other forum on the internet the Franco jokes would be flying.

Janszoon 10-01-2017 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1878636)
That mess in Spain has an uncomfortably authoritatian police state feel to it. It makes me sad to see this kind of thing happen in one of the most stable and peaceful parts of Europe. I thought we were above this kind of thing. Proof that governments are never your friend, honestly. It doesn't even matter whether the Catalan vote has constitutional backing or not, it's how the government tries to shut it down that says everything.

Yeah, who could imagine an authoritatian Spain. Oh wait, that's the Spain my family fled.

MicShazam 10-01-2017 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1878647)
Yeah, who could imagine an authoritatian Spain. Oh wait, that's the Spain my family fled.

I've been reading a book about spanish political and cultural history recently and there's no doubt that Spain has a history with authoritarianism, but still, in 2017? Really makes my heart sink.

How long time ago was it that your familily fled Spain? After WW2 or something like that?

MicShazam 10-01-2017 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1878663)
before being ran over in WW2 Catalonia was a pocket of pure anarchist socialism

about a 10 month period

How the **** does anarchist socialism work? Socialism requires structure, anarchism is the lack of agreed upon and enforced structures. Or am I just confused and wrong?

Chula Vista 10-01-2017 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1878666)
Or am I wrong?

Not at all.


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