Political Discussions for "Adults"

debaserr · 07-11-2022, 08:23 PM

I wouldn't put it past LBJ honestly. Dude was scary effective at backdoor maneuvers. I loved these books:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ye...Lyndon_Johnson

SGR · 07-11-2022, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by debaserr

I wouldn't put it past LBJ honestly. Dude was scary effective at backdoor maneuvers. I loved these books:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ye...Lyndon_Johnson

One of the best biographies on a US President I've ever read. Can't wait for the next one.

I'm not sure how much I buy LBJ being involved, though he was conniving and calculated. I never read the book, but Roger Stone (yeah, that Roger Stone) wrote a book about the evidence that points to LBJ being involved. Here's a quote from Stone taken from a Salon interview - he's not a fan of the Caro books:

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Johnson's right-hand man, Secretary of the U.S. Senate Bobby Baker, says on Inaugural Day 1961, a very cold day, that John Kennedy will not live out his term and he will die a violent death. Johnson's motives are very clear. Not only was he being dumped from the ticket in 1964— indeed, Evelyn Lincoln, President Kennedy's personal secretary, says in her memoir he told her on the eve of leaving for Dallas that he was dumping Johnson— but Johnson was under investigation in two enormous scandals: the Bobby Baker scandal, Bobby Baker the Senate secretary was splitting bribes with Johnson, but more importantly, the Billie Sol Estes scandal.

Sol Estes was a flamboyant Texas wheeler-dealer and he and Johnson were involved in corrupt practices including federal contracts. Robert Caro wrote a four-volume biography of Lyndon Johnson but if you check the index there's no mention of Sol Estes, he's missing. I went and checked and in terms of coverage the Billie Sol Estes got twice the coverage at the time than the Baker scandal did, but it's been airbrushed out of history by Caro. Why? I'll tell you why: because Sol Estes, after he comes out of prison, has nothing to gain and informs the Justice Department of Johnson's involvement in the death of John F. Kennedy. Therefore, I presume, if Caro introduced the character he would have to tell the whole story, so it's better just to airbrush Billie Sol out of the picture.

Caro lies by omission; he should be stripped of his Pulitzer. He is intellectually dishonest, but he's more interested in going to the right Upper East Side cocktail party than he is in historical truth.

https://www.salon.com/2015/01/28/rog...gop_trickster/

Wikipedia gives a short and dirty on these allegations by Billie Sol Estes that Stone is referring to:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billie...edy_and_others

Take it all with a grain of salt, of course.

Trollheart · 07-15-2022, 12:04 PM

Looks to me like they're playing Rock, Paper, Scissors....

SGR · 07-15-2022, 12:07 PM

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Looks to me like they're playing Rock, Paper, Scissors....

TheBig3 · 07-15-2022, 07:07 PM

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why did the US government kill JFK again like the reason ..???

I'm pretty sure they thought he was going to be compromised by the Soviets due to his philandering.

The Batlord · 07-15-2022, 07:38 PM

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I'm pretty sure they thought he was going to be compromised by the Soviets due to his philandering.

That sounds weak when the CIA was having an autistic fit over cancelling air support for the Bay of Pigs.

~~jwb~~ · 07-15-2022, 07:50 PM

Is it conspiracy theory to think the mob had him killed?

TheBig3 · 07-15-2022, 07:58 PM

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That sounds weak when the CIA was having an autistic fit over cancelling air support for the Bay of Pigs.

You're telling me they could get Kennedy but not Casto?

The Batlord · 07-16-2022, 07:49 AM

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Is it conspiracy theory to think the mob had him killed?

Of course your imagination can only do basic bitch gangsters.

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You're telling me they could get Kennedy but not Casto?

Yeah he was here. And they had Old Man Bush on the job.

~~jwb~~ · 07-16-2022, 09:40 AM

That's what Robert deniro told me and I believe him

Also your theory is nothing special either bitch. Wow he was killed by the evil anti communist CIA that's soooooooo original

. You're like every dumb c*nt that thinks Tupac was killed for standing up to the Illuminati. But in reality he was shot by an ordinary basic bitch gangster, and so was Kennedy.

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Is it conspiracy theory to think the mob had him killed?

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~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	That's what Robert deniro told me and I believe him Also your theory is nothing special either bitch. Wow he was killed by the evil anti communist CIA that's soooooooo original . You're like every dumb c*nt that thinks Tupac was killed for standing up to the Illuminati. But in reality he was shot by an ordinary basic bitch gangster, and so was Kennedy.