Political Discussions for "Adults"

Zhanteimi · 07-13-2017, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle

What are people's views on the NAP? And where it fits in with taxation?

I agree with it insofar as income tax is concerned. I think income tax is insane. The only tax that should exist, in my opinion, is the sales tax. This would make government much smaller and therefore much less coercive.

But I'm kind of a libertarian at heart.

**Goofle** · 07-13-2017, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

To the first question it depends on how you define private property.

Guess this works.

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Tangible and intangible things owned by individuals or firms over which their owners have exclusive and absolute legal rights, such as land, buildings, money, copyrights, patents, etc. Private property can be transferred only with its owner's consent, and by due process such as sale or gift.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2017, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

Cuban. Missile. Crisis. Read up on history. The dude was probably the last great American President.

Such a naive and stupid post Frown. Dissapointing.

Insults: not well-read (assuming he never learned about the Cuban Missile Crisis - not to mention undue arrogance on your part for seeming to think having knowledge of this extraordinarily famous event sets you apart), naive, stupid, and disappointing.

Naive is the most ironic. OK lock it up or lock me out but I'm just saying.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2017, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

This would lead to massive amounts of poverty and the extermination of the middle class

Unless you only tax very luxury items sales tax is very regressive.

Zhanteimi · 07-13-2017, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

This would lead to massive amounts of poverty and the extermination of the middle class

How does the income tax keep people out of poverty? Not being combative. I actually don't know.

Chula Vista · 07-13-2017, 08:24 PM

Another TV station blocked. Isn't worth my time or energy anymore.

Chula Vista · 07-13-2017, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Mord

How does the income tax keep people out of poverty? Not being combative. I actually don't know.

Helps fund social programs and financial aid but is FAR from perfect.

Zhanteimi · 07-13-2017, 08:28 PM

What social programs and what financial aid, specifically?

**Goofle** · 07-13-2017, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

This would lead to massive amounts of poverty and the extermination of the middle class

have to wonder why sales tax is ok and income not, couldn't you consider them both "theft" in the same way

Any logic behind that first comment? Or examples of it? Other forms of government that use basically the opposite approach only seem to create mass poverty, and a tax-less society hasn't exactly been tried in the West.

(I'm not arguing that it would work because it's the opposite of, say, Communism btw)

And agree with the second part. I don't see why it's any different.

I'd be in favor of voluntary donations if there were to be some form of Government in a tax free system. Maybe set up via email.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2017, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mord

How does the income tax keep people out of poverty? Not being combative. I actually don't know.

I'm not accusing you of not knowing this but two examples are Shays' Rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion. One safe thing about a progressive income tax is that if it's implemented correctly the money will be there so people can't get caught in situations where tax evasion is inevitable. Another point is income tax on a proper sliding scale should not burden the poor. What hurts the poor is admittedly more complicated than that but taxing their toothpaste or whatever obviously doesn't help them.

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