Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 11-05-2020, 10:42 AM

Open borders doesn’t mean driving them here. It just means if for whatever reason they arrive it’s cool. Maybe they wanna see the Grand Canyon.

**Frownland** · 11-05-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Sorry, I missed this before I wrote the last thing.

Most of this seems reasonable, but I'm curious how Open Borders is inherently beneficial. Not to sound like OH here but what's so great about America?

It allows for free travel.

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I'm looking at it like this - Nations (in theory) are only a set of cultural and legal norms. And while I do think nations certainly rig the economy, why would you advocate for open borders as opposed to better trade policies with other nations.

And to play devil's advocate here, why ask Gutamaleans to come here rather than creating the conditions for them to be prosperous in their home country?

Take your false dichotomies and shove em

TheBig3 · 11-05-2020, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Open borders doesn’t mean driving them here. It just means if for whatever reason they arrive it’s cool. Maybe they wanna see the Grand Canyon.

LOL yeah maybe, and the little I've looked into older immigration policy, apparently prior to 1973 people used to just cross the border and get jobs pretty regularly. I'll throw a link up to the podcast I heard it addressed in when I can find it.

But the big charge against immigration is that it results in "brain drain" in many countries. India generally feels like talented citizens generally leave for the US to start businesses. It's not a front-line platform-plank issue, but immigration to the US can be seen as a monopoly on talent.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It allows for free travel.

Take your false dichotomies and shove em

Alright well, I tried to have a civil conversation. Maybe another time.

**Frownland** · 11-05-2020, 10:53 AM

Posing open borders as advocating against the welfare of the countries we'd open our borders to may be civil but it sure ain't anything approaching rationality. The alternative you impose implies interventions as well, which have historically not gone very well. I'll make a podcast saying the same to get the point across.

TheBig3 · 11-05-2020, 11:00 AM

cool

SGR · 11-05-2020, 11:07 AM

Can I get in on this passive-aggression with some false dichotomies?

**Frownland** · 11-05-2020, 11:08 AM

They're taken. You can have moving the goalposts.

SGR · 11-05-2020, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

They're taken. You can have moving the goalposts.

Who says those are my only two choices? I sense a dilemma, and not a true one!

**Frownland** · 11-05-2020, 11:14 AM

Nah, I was just offering one of the hotter options that are still open. You could take the fallacy fallacy if you wanted.

OccultHawk · 11-05-2020, 11:17 AM

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why ask Gutamaleans to come here

I took it literal when you said ask.

As for Guatemalans and all those south of our border step one should be to do no harm. Once we figure that out hell yes I support no strings attached humanitarian aid.

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11-05-2020, 10:53 AM	#8724 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Posing open borders as advocating against the welfare of the countries we'd open our borders to may be civil but it sure ain't anything approaching rationality. The alternative you impose implies interventions as well, which have historically not gone very well. I'll make a podcast saying the same to get the point across. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-05-2020, 11:08 AM	#8727 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	They're taken. You can have moving the goalposts. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-05-2020, 11:14 AM	#8729 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Nah, I was just offering one of the hotter options that are still open. You could take the fallacy fallacy if you wanted. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	cool

11-05-2020, 11:07 AM	#8726 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,326	Can I get in on this passive-aggression with some false dichotomies?