Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 11-05-2020, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Do you guys have any hard and fast positions on what US Immigration policy should be?

100% open borders no questions asked.

The more poor we take in the more opportunity there is for strong solidarity.

Every immigrant should be given a assault rifle upon arrival.

**Marie Monday** · 11-05-2020, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Do you guys have any hard and fast positions on what US Immigration policy should be?

Open borders and lots of effort into giving immigrants the right opportunities and access to a 'nornal' life as soon as possible

TheBig3 · 11-05-2020, 10:09 AM

I assumed you both favored Bernie. His stance that "Open Borders? That's a Koch Bros. scheme" - do you think he's wrong there? Or am I missing something? (or did you not support Bernie?)

**Marie Monday** · 11-05-2020, 10:13 AM

I never identified as a Bernie supporter, I saw him as the least evil. As far as I can judge from a one-liner I don't agree with him on that

TheBig3 · 11-05-2020, 10:15 AM

Alright. Thanks.

OccultHawk · 11-05-2020, 10:23 AM

Supported Bernie 100%

Sometimes pissed of that he’s not a real commie but yeah

**Frownland** · 11-05-2020, 10:25 AM

Open borders, week-long citizenship process max, free education programs (ESL, degrees, trade school, etc), rights for every human in this country (can't believe I even have to say that ffs). Punish those paying slave wages to immigrants that creates supposed job scarcity to the point of offsetting the value increase of the larger market that immigrants bring.

Larger legislative changes, potentially UBI, could offset the poverty conditions that induce crimes of desperation. Then the rest of the scary criminals and rapists will prove themselves to be those things and can be handled accordingly. A larger improvement of our legal system could make that less of a death sentence as well.

TheBig3 · 11-05-2020, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Supported Bernie 100%

Sometimes pissed of that he’s not a real commie but yeah

Relative to this question? Is there a uniform communist position on immigration? I tend to get my Communist information from Richard Wolff and I don't think I've seen him comment on it.

OccultHawk · 11-05-2020, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

Relative to this question? Is there a uniform communist position on immigration? I tend to get my Communist information from Richard Wolff and I don't think I've seen him comment on it.

I don’t even think communism is a thing. As far as I’m concerned it’s just the world as Hawk wants it.

Great post above Frown btw

TheBig3 · 11-05-2020, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Open borders, week-long citizenship process max, free education programs (ESL, degrees, trade school, etc), rights for every human in this country (can't believe I even have to say that ffs). Punish those paying slave wages to immigrants that creates supposed job scarcity to the point of offsetting the value increase of the larger market that immigrants bring.

Larger legislative changes, potentially UBI, could offset the poverty conditions that induce crimes of desperation. Then the rest of the scary criminals and rapists will prove themselves to be those things and can be handled accordingly. A larger improvement of our legal system could make that less of a death sentence as well.

Sorry, I missed this before I wrote the last thing.

Most of this seems reasonable, but I'm curious how Open Borders is inherently beneficial. Not to sound like OH here but what's so great about America?

I'm looking at it like this - Nations (in theory) are only a set of cultural and legal norms. And while I do think nations certainly rig the economy, why would you advocate for open borders as opposed to better trade policies with other nations.

And to play devil's advocate here, why ask Gutamaleans to come here rather than creating the conditions for them to be prosperous in their home country?

11-05-2020, 10:23 AM	#8716 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Supported Bernie 100% Sometimes pissed of that he’s not a real commie but yeah __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

11-05-2020, 10:25 AM	#8717 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Open borders, week-long citizenship process max, free education programs (ESL, degrees, trade school, etc), rights for every human in this country (can't believe I even have to say that ffs). Punish those paying slave wages to immigrants that creates supposed job scarcity to the point of offsetting the value increase of the larger market that immigrants bring. Larger legislative changes, potentially UBI, could offset the poverty conditions that induce crimes of desperation. Then the rest of the scary criminals and rapists will prove themselves to be those things and can be handled accordingly. A larger improvement of our legal system could make that less of a death sentence as well. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

11-05-2020, 10:09 AM	#8713 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	I assumed you both favored Bernie. His stance that "Open Borders? That's a Koch Bros. scheme" - do you think he's wrong there? Or am I missing something? (or did you not support Bernie?)

11-05-2020, 10:15 AM	#8715 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	Alright. Thanks.