Political Discussions for "Adults"

TheBig3 · 10-13-2020, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the junkies were there first and they put in a rehab and methadone clinic to address the problem?

Or was it like a Field of Dreams scenario: If you build it, they will come.

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That's doubtful. Boston is both the wealthiest city in Massachusetts and the one with the most medical facilities and universities. This is also the location with the best public transit, the greatest amount of homeless shelters, and the home to the Greater Boston Food Bank.

In short it's just the location that is able to deal with demand more easily.

But your question is a little odd. Opiod addiction likely has a normal distribution in terms of geography, with, if anything, a slightly higher per capita affliction rate in rural areas based on the data I've seen. I don't know why all the junkies would live in one area in the first place. If that happened, it would be cause to find some sort of significant environmental factor in that location. E.g. someone is dumping opiods into the water supply (Not sure if that's possible but you get the idea.)

OccultHawk · 10-13-2020, 10:16 AM

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But your question is a little odd.

I think your disdain for the rehab facility and methadone clinic is neo-liberal NIMBY bull****.

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Boston is both the wealthiest city in Massachusetts and the one with the most medical facilities and universities

Boston is a piece of **** racist af haven for gentrification

**Frownland** · 10-13-2020, 10:20 AM

They were probably already there largely because of the public transit.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

These programs need to be judged by their success rate.

Agreed, but since there are myriad other factors in the picture it confounds how to gage how effective those programs are. Where I live, any time a program that's put in place that tries to solve drug use or any other crisis related to homelessness is quickly criticized when it doesn't solve the issue overnight. Not sure how that relates to botson's issues but the demand for perfection is making change impossible here.

OccultHawk · 10-13-2020, 10:29 AM

When people try to serve the disenfranchised you immediately get people blaming them for their presence. Like Boston wouldn’t have junkies if it just wasn’t for that goddamn clinic!

**Frownland** · 10-13-2020, 10:35 AM

R: Look at these homeless junkies! We need to do something!
M: How about injection sites so that they're not shooting up in the park and it can be run by addiction therapists who can help those who want it.
R: Absolutely not we can't encourage drug use.
M: What about social services to help them get jobs and housing programs to provide them some stability to keep them off of the streets.
R: Give away my job to a homeless junkie? Are you crazy?
M: Mental health services?
R: For criminals? **** off.
M: What should we do then.
R: Something.

A dialogue between me and a retard.

~~jwb~~ · 10-13-2020, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

But your question is a little odd. Opiod addiction likely has a normal distribution in terms of geography, with, if anything, a slightly higher per capita affliction rate in rural areas based on the data I've seen. I don't know why all the junkies would live in one area in the first place. If that happened, it would be cause to find some sort of significant environmental factor in that location. E.g. someone is dumping opiods into the water supply (Not sure if that's possible but you get the idea.)

wtf lol

You really find it hard to believe drug addiction could be concentrated in a certain neighborhood? Yeah opiates might be more prevalent in rural areas in general but that's not some sort of hard rule. Baltimore is basically the heroin capital of the United States.

I know from a fact that Vermont has a massive problem with heroin too cause my cousin lives up there. It's also a pretty wealthy state.

OH's assumption that the rehab probably exists because there was already a drug problem isn't strange at all. That's how it usually works.

TheBig3 · 10-13-2020, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I think your disdain for the rehab facility and methadone clinic is neo-liberal NIMBY bull****.

Boston is a piece of **** racist af haven for gentrification

At what point did I say I hated the rehab facility? This isn't "well technically..." non-sense. I don't hate the rehab facility. Where did you get that from?

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wtf lol

You really find it hard to believe drug addiction could be concentrated in a certain neighborhood? Yeah opiates might be more prevalent in rural areas in general but that's not some sort of hard rule. Baltimore is basically the heroin capital of the United States.

I know from a fact that Vermont has a massive problem with heroin too cause my cousin lives up there. It's also a pretty wealthy state.

OH's assumption that the rehab probably exists because there was already a drug problem isn't strange at all. That's how it usually works.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but why would a given place be more likely to have more per-capita people on drugs than another?

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Agreed, but since there are myriad other factors in the picture it confounds how to gage how effective those programs are. Where I live, any time a program that's put in place that tries to solve drug use or any other crisis related to homelessness is quickly criticized when it doesn't solve the issue overnight. Not sure how that relates to botson's issues but the demand for perfection is making change impossible here.

Well, people are pretty stupid when they have no need to be responsible for anything. I love the town I grew up in but they pulled the galaxy brain move of closing the homeless shelter for reasons, but we all knew they thought it would get rid of the homeless people.

The level of outrage that occurred when the homeless then used the public library for the bathroom would have been funny if it weren't so hostile. You have these small-c conservative who champion the market and logic all the time, and then can't wrap their head around the idea that legalizing drugs would eliminate innumerate drug-related problems we have in the US.

OccultHawk · 10-13-2020, 03:12 PM

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I don't hate the rehab facility. Where did you get that from?

From here:

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No, in my neighborhood it's the human remains of the opioid crisis sadly. I live very close to a drug rehab facility.

~~jwb~~ · 10-13-2020, 03:18 PM

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Maybe I'm misunderstanding the question, but why would a given place be more likely to have more per-capita people on drugs than another?

Could be any number of reasons, honestly.

Could be easier access to pills or more proficient dealers. Can be a drug couture that develops in certain areas. Typically economics and poverty has a lot to do with it but not always. Like I said Vermont is fairly wealthy and they have a pretty big heroin problem. South Florida where I grew up was always a big place for crack due basically to geography more than anything else. West Virginia is a massive place for pills for a number of different reasons. It's just kinda hard to imagine on the surface that a single rehab clinic is supplying an entire urban neighborhood with junkies. How big is this place exactly?

OccultHawk · 10-13-2020, 03:41 PM

JWB

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10-13-2020, 10:29 AM	#8644 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	When people try to serve the disenfranchised you immediately get people blaming them for their presence. Like Boston wouldn’t have junkies if it just wasn’t for that goddamn clinic! __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

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Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	R: Look at these homeless junkies! We need to do something! M: How about injection sites so that they're not shooting up in the park and it can be run by addiction therapists who can help those who want it. R: Absolutely not we can't encourage drug use. M: What about social services to help them get jobs and housing programs to provide them some stability to keep them off of the streets. R: Give away my job to a homeless junkie? Are you crazy? M: Mental health services? R: For criminals? **** off. M: What should we do then. R: Something. A dialogue between me and a retard. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	JWB Why are there storms upon the ocean? __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html