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jwb 04-07-2021 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2168815)
What the **** are you talking about with cabals? Are you describing bad things? I mean you just threw around "cabal" like it was supposed to describe a central American Republic we'd overthrown with fascist death squads but didn't even bother with specifics.

it sounds to me like he's talking about cabal in the sense of a group of people that essentially gain an unjustified stranglehold on a particular market... Through unionizing.

But honestly I don't see the connection to co ops there. Unions basically exist as a negotiating tactic between owners and workers... If you're dealing with a co ops where the workers collectively own the business why would they need to unionize???

The Batlord 04-07-2021 06:20 AM

Democrat + anti-union = Hitler

Lucem Ferre 04-07-2021 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2168711)
we are a mixed economy

No ****, but not mixed enough. IDK if there even is an economy that isn't mixed to some extent.

TheBig3 04-07-2021 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2168817)
it sounds to me like he's talking about cabal in the sense of a group of people that essentially gain an unjustified stranglehold on a particular market... Through unionizing.

But honestly I don't see the connection to co ops there. Unions basically exist as a negotiating tactic between owners and workers... If you're dealing with a co ops where the workers collectively own the business why would they need to unionize???

I think I'm just arguing from a personal grievance. In almost any instance, I see a highly selective elitist group (which is what I meant by cabal) as hand-selecting who gets in and who doesn't. In a co-op, the employees vote, but as I recall that isn't on who is hired (maybe I'm wrong but that wouldn't add up). To that end, the game still gets rigged in favor of the graft.

After years of working in the non-profit sector, I think I'm just wildly bitter to the group-think that exists in certain industries.

jwb 04-08-2021 11:35 AM

Re: technocratic utopia



It's couched in humor and a bit of hyperbole but Tim pretty much sums up my attitude towards the future

Anteater 04-08-2021 12:00 PM

So instead of just getting 1984 or Snow Crash, we're getting the worst of both worlds. Greatttttt.

Lucem Ferre 04-08-2021 03:06 PM

Pessimism is just as dumb as optimism. Betweenism. Or mediocrism.

jwb 04-08-2021 05:13 PM

Relentless paranoia is the only true path to victory

TheBig3 04-08-2021 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2168914)

It's couched in humor and a bit of hyperbole but Tim pretty much sums up my attitude towards the future

Is your attitude toward the future humorless?

Norg 04-08-2021 08:38 PM




:P


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