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OccultHawk 12-02-2020 05:22 PM

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if you're still expecting NK to give up on it's nuclear program after all these years you have your head in the sand
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Psy-Fi 12-03-2020 06:47 AM

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Gutmensch 12-03-2020 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2147598)
In English it’s still called Nord Stream, Adolf

Why do call me Adolf? Is there a specific reason?

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Clinton just had an attempt at a deal that fell through.News flash: if you're still expecting NK to give up on it's nuclear program after all these years you have your head in the sand.

What do you think about the U.S. giving up their nuclear program?

Wouldn't it be a great victory for the religious right when the U.S. become so much peaceful and follow the words of Jesus Christ?

OccultHawk 12-03-2020 10:26 AM

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Why do call me Adolf? Is there a specific reason?
Because you’re German.

jwb 12-03-2020 10:28 AM

Ideally, sure it would be good if the whole world disarmed their nuclear capacities. We don't live in an ideal world though and no serious power is going to trust their adversaries to do so. So it is what it is.

So instead the entrenched nuclear powers try to stop nukes from proliferating in countries that don't have them. The argument given is that they're worried about a rogue state that might actually be willing to use them getting nukes. While there's some legitimacy to this concern, the reality is even without that threat, nukes shift the balance of power and so obviously the entrenched powers don't want that.

Hence why the DPRK is never going to abandon their nuclear program. They see it as essential to their security and a deterrent from Western powers to seriously intervene in the region.

Same with Iran. After we invaded Iraq over supposed WMDs, Gaddafi in Libya openly agreed to get rid of his own WMDs to avoid being the next target and there was a brief period where Iran would've been potentially open to working with us and perhaps not pursuing nukes.

Then Bush put them on the axis of evil list and they've been steadily pursuing nukes since then, and have come increasingly in our cross hairs. Meanwhile, beyond some saber rattling here and there, nobody seriously considers invading NK because of the destruction they could reign on SK and Japan. As for Libya, we helped over throw Gaddafi the first chance we got, despite his concessions.

The message other world leaders take from this is crystal clear. Proliferating nukes is a safer bet than disarmament, with regard to dissuading intervention from larger powers.

OccultHawk 12-03-2020 10:34 AM

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OccultHawk 12-03-2020 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2147874)
Ideally, sure it would be good if the whole world disarmed their nuclear capacities. We don't live in an ideal world though and no serious power is going to trust their adversaries to do so. So it is what it is.

So instead the entrenched nuclear powers try to stop nukes from proliferating in countries that don't have them. The argument given is that they're worried about a rogue state that might actually be willing to use them getting nukes. While there's some legitimacy to this concern, the reality is even without that threat, nukes shift the balance of power and so obviously the entrenched powers don't want that.

Hence why the DPRK is never going to abandon their nuclear program. They see it as essential to their security and a deterrent from Western powers to seriously intervene in the region.

Same with Iran. After we invaded Iraq over supposed WMDs, Gaddafi in Libya openly agreed to get rid of his own WMDs to avoid being the next target and there was a brief period where Iran would've been potentially open to working with us and perhaps not pursuing nukes.

Then Bush put them on the axis of evil list and they've been steadily pursuing nukes since then, and have come increasingly in our cross hairs. Meanwhile, beyond some saber rattling here and there, nobody seriously considers invading NK because of the destruction they could reign on SK and Japan. As for Libya, we helped over throw Gaddafi the first chance we got, despite his concessions.

The message other world leaders take from this is crystal clear. Proliferating nukes is a safer bet than disarmament, with regard to dissuading intervention from larger powers.

Every person in the world should get a nuclear weapon. Nobody would **** with nobody.

jwb 12-03-2020 10:49 AM

Problem is individuals can be suicidal. But power structures and regimes are more likely to be self perpetuating and adhere to the logic of mutually assured destruction. Of course, it's only going to take one slip up to bring on the nuclear holocaust. So far we've been incredibly lucky.

TheBig3 12-03-2020 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2147788)
Biden said flat out when asked if he'll meet with Kim he said not without getting some serious concessions first.

It's not just the Democrats. Every president has dealt with NK in the same exact manner and it's been a failing strategy for decades. I dunno why you would possibly think Joe Biden of all people would be the one to break from that mold.

Clinton just had an attempt at a deal that fell through.News flash: if you're still expecting NK to give up on it's nuclear program after all these years you have your head in the sand.

I don't expect any nation to give up its nuclear program after Iraq. I think Libya only reinforced that. The 800 lbs. Gorilla in the room now is China, who seems to have mastered the art of using our weapons against us both militarily and financially. They can't match us toe-to-toe but they're well aware that be shaking our hand with the left, and building a tank with the right, they're not only impossible to invade, they're capable of damaging us with weapons and economics.

China's the key to the global stage so long as they remain strong and don't give a **** what we think about who they trade with, giving a sort of immunity to Iran, Russia, and North Korea.

It's slightly funny that Trump ran so hard on dashing the Iran nuclear deal, because what really lead to that was both Russia and China saying "We're done putting sanctions on Iran, you won't have the UN Security Council votes to keep them." That gets lost in the news about Iran, but it means that while they get an outrageous amount of heat for the level of threat they are, others are only incentivized to support them. Iran, unlike N. Korea and Russia, are more sympathetic to the world since their government was toppled by the US, and they routinely get attacked by the US and Israel.

OccultHawk 12-04-2020 03:00 AM

Is there anyone outside of the United States who doesn’t think that China would easily destroy America in a war? Because that conclusion astonishes me.


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