Vast majority are the way I described

Men who want to be women or vice versa

Those are people who you know are genuine. Anyone willing to take hormones or have surgery isn't playing games

As for the in betweens.. Yeah some of them are jumping on the band wagon

You live in Bum****, North Carolina, and are from Bum****, Florida, how would you know about any of these people other than from Youtube?

I was born Jersey. I've lived up north too. I've been around a bit more than you.

Nice dodge

Oh wow, Jersey, you're really moving up ladder the now.

Where all have you lived?

Btw when I said up north I meant Jersey, Vermont and Rhode island. Jersey is just where I was born.

I'm not

I'm not claiming superiority, I'm throwing shade at your experiences with trans people outside of Youtube that would give you the insight to distinguish between and then quantify the ratio of reals to fakers.

I'm not claiming some sort of expertise...I just smell bs so I'm calling it. If I'm wrong them I'm wrong. I'm just being honest.

And let's be really real. Your problem isn't with my credentials but with what I'm saying. If I was from San Fran you would still object you'd just find a different angle. So what you're trying to do is called "poisoning the well."

Who are you smelling BS from? A few goofballs on Youtube and I guess Tumblr of course? Is your honesty actually worth anything if it's addressing a non-issue?

**** yeah!!!

Nah I've met the non binary types at college. It's just a general hunch. It might be worth nothing if I'm wrong. If I'm right then it's just worth being right.

I feel like you wanting to shut this discussion down rather than engage in it is based in insecurity in your own position tbh

What is your point old man?

what's yours?

I'm just here for the free mints.

I have a hunch that you only want free mints for the attention.

I have a hunch that you want my attention.

I’m not even trying to be an ******* with this question.

Is everybody considered non-binary now?

ITT elph doesn't understand binary

I feel like you wanting to have ad nauseum debates on every single controversial topic is based in insecurity cause if you don't loudly proclaim what you think about everything then people won't know how smart you hope you are.

i feel like you turned that on me as a defense mechanism

I have only been responding to points as they've been raised. The fact is that as usual you have no response to my actual points so instead you seek to discredit me and poison the well.

Your point seems to amount to a different version of what I've seen all over the internet from people of varying degrees of toxicity. You don't really believe in trans people being the gender they identify as even if there's clearly something going on, what even is gender?, and non-binary people are chasing a trend. I mean what exactly is worth refuting? Neither of us have a smoking gun scientific study proving or disproving anything and to some extent we're either taking or not taking someone's word about something that's abstract to a point that even trying to articulate it is like grasping at water. There are psychologists and writers who try to shed light on gender but at the end of the day we're still taking someone's word that they're not just crazy or faking.

Personally I think that most supposedly trans people aren't going around actively making themselves targets of bigotry just to feel special, I don't know trans people IRL to be able to give any legitimate opinion on their sanity, and if some people are just "kinda" non-binary and maybe look like they're trying for attention and you're mainly seeing them on Youtube or Tumblr or some other site that attracts people seeking attention then that's not necessarily a hill worth taking if it's addressing a non-issue and spreading cynicism towards "real" trans people in the process.

What if you appear very androgynous and you don’t care if people think you’re male or female?

I don't believe I said that.

some are, imo

most trans people fall into the category of mtf or ftm. More so mtf.

So basically even if I'm right I shouldn't be saying what I'm saying here?

Should we differentiate between statutory rape and forced rape?

NVM I guess adding sexual assault to it does differentiate it.

Gabbard/Buttigieg 2020 https://boxden.com/images/icons/nHXEgl8-compressor.png


wonder how that youthness, could be that "radical" change people want... like how the right got with Trump?

:confused:

https://i.imgur.com/N0W9kVR.png

whats so bad about them? lol

They're milktoast liberals like Obama and Hillary. The youth angle and the fact she's a woman and he's gay are just symbolic "change." Gabbard would be good on foreign policy but that's probably about it.

:beer:

But we'd have one of the most smoking hot world leaders.

My dream ticket, although I realize it's a pipe dream.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...7sQMIkpOz7BqOg

Added bonus (for me): Tulsi is a very sincere Vaishnava Hindu who chants in Washington Square Park. :)

She's a cartoon, dude.

yuck @ Pocahontas.

the homophobia thing was when she was a kid wasn't it?

Dunno about the torture part

Tulsi has apologized over and over again for her past homophobic views and says she regrets them and disavows them. I tend to believe her, because she's an ally of the LGBT+ community today and has a perfect record for pro-LGBT+ legislation and has co-sponsored many bills for LGBT+ rights. As of 2011 she voiced support for same-sex marriage and commitment toward repealing the Defense of Marriage Act.

I say let's just give Hillary another chance.

The fact that she ever held that stance as an adult says a lot about her character. Plus, she's a self-described war hawk.

^You're joking?