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Old 08-22-2020, 07:36 PM   #7861 (permalink)
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I mean I don't know if I can answer that, but from where I sit, it seems to me our differences are that I'm working with the **** reality we have, and you find that objectionable. Which is not to say I endorse what we have, but I believe life is always going to **** us. So we might as well take what we can get.
Dishonest framing of your critics aside, if you choose the smaller dick instead of fighting against being ****ed, you're allowing others to get ****ed for generations. Sure they might be getting ****ed by perpetually smaller dicks but we all know how the dick pendulum swings in this place and even if it doesn't swing like that, the molestation is still present.

Whoever told you that this incredibly flawed reality is the only way to exist because alternatives are ambiguous was using you.

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As for real action that I think people should pursue if you want to improve the system, it's probably this in order:

1. Get a week-long voting system in place in all states.
2. Get ranked-choice voting on the ballot
3. Focus on in-state ballot initiatives.

The third one is the only way I believe you can circumvent party.
What about actions that people can take to make the changes they want to see that exist within the reality we have? Moving in the right direction is cool and all but I'd rather see real action and maybe an end to state committed atrocities of all sorts before I die instead of hoping that it might get better in a few hundred years. The latter clearly has not worked so far.
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Old 08-22-2020, 07:40 PM   #7862 (permalink)
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I mean I don't know if I can answer that, but from where I sit, it seems to me our differences are that I'm working with the **** reality we have, and you find that objectionable. Which is not to say I endorse what we have, but I believe life is always going to **** us. So we might as well take what we can get.

As for real action that I think people should pursue if you want to improve the system, it's probably this in order:

1. Get a week-long voting system in place in all states.
2. Get ranked-choice voting on the ballot
3. Focus on in-state ballot initiatives.

The third one is the only way I believe you can circumvent party.
All that still allows for centrists in perpetuity cause money talks and bull**** walks. And corporations have more money than you.

I say that worker organizing has to work at some point or there's simply no point to any of this and the best we can do is Swedenism and you all can do that without me and I won't be an enthused convert anyway. So radicalized union organizing that doesn't acknowledge their bosses as legitimate authority is the only end result I can see having any desirable end goal.
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I'm still curious on the GoT angle did you think Warren was going to be a d*ke khaleesi or what
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Old 08-22-2020, 07:43 PM   #7864 (permalink)
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It's not dishonest, I see him as thinking my willingness to work with the reality on the ground is somehow beneath his. I think the same thing of you.

I've worked on three campaigns in my life. I work for a clean energy group now that lobbies against utilities, fossil fuels, and for things like rate-payer funded solar farms, emissions taxes, and the elemination of peaker plants.

I work within the framework that is. I don't hope for a reality that isn't. I don't assume I matter in the grand scheme of things. It takes groups to come together and push for things. But I'm not going to not vote just because Biden isn't the candidate I want. I vote for Biden, I go back to asking for what I want, in the areas I think are important.

If you don't like that, I guess I'll just have to lose some sleep over it.

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I think she's Stannis.
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Old 08-22-2020, 07:45 PM   #7865 (permalink)
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If you side with the dragons (wealth hoarders) the zombies (rednecks?) will kill enough of them so that you can give an impassioned speech to overcome the remaining resistance.
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If you side with the dragons (wealth hoarders) the zombies (rednecks?) will kill enough of them so that you can give an impassioned speech to overcome the remaining resistance.
Sometimes you agree to the red magic, and you kill your brother if it means justice.

I'm still hoping they make her Treasury Sec.
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I see him as thinking my willingness to work with the reality on the ground is somehow beneath his. I think the same thing of you.
And that's dishonest.

Congrats on doing your part to perpetuate the status quo and the steps you've taken to move forward energy. I can post what I've done but I don't want to get any of us in trouble.
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And that's dishonest.

Congrats on doing your part to perpetuate the status quo and the steps you've taken to move forward energy. I can post what I've done but I don't want to get any of us in trouble.
Christ you're such a badass.
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Thanks for spelling my name right at least.
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Thanks for spelling my name right at least.
I don't know if I've ever seen you take a position on anything. Unless you count ****ting on others positions as taking a stand.

What three things could a candidate say to get your vote?
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