Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 08-22-2020, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't know if there even is an oft cited communist anywhere that didn't recognize the importance of electoral politics or "lesser evil" strategy

Mao

SGR · 08-22-2020, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

My friend is a big fan of Styx. Seems like a goth ***got to me.

Nah, he's a hippie ***got. Let the dude plant his garden, smoke his weed, and pet his cats in peace.

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I wouldn't except it's cultural appropriation

Nazi punks **** OFF!!!!

he reminds me of Razorfist, but wayyyy less articulate, and at least that Nazi (or maybe just fascist) is totes all Metal and **** bro

My eyes glaze over every time a leftist calls people on the right nazis. There's no meaning to the word anymore.

The Batlord · 08-22-2020, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't know if there even is an oft cited communist anywhere that didn't recognize the importance of electoral politics or "lesser evil" strategy

I wonder if Marx would still say that if he knew we'd be here a century and a half later.

OccultHawk · 08-22-2020, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Voting does work... Even in our limited democracy. It's not voting that is the real problem. It's the voters. That's why democracy is gay.

They say America has the oldest democracy still running. Interesting that it was the first country to become an existential threat to all of humanity.

~~jwb~~ · 08-22-2020, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I don't know if there even is an oft cited communist anywhere that didn't recognize the importance of electoral politics or "lesser evil" strategy

From what I remember teasing this was actually am issue of contention in socialist parties in earlier days. Socialist parties in Europe that existed in more liberal and less repressive regimes were much more likely to want to work within the system and thus less radical. Ones that lived in more repressive regimes were more radical and unwilling to even entertain the idea of working with the government and more bent on revolution.

I think that's part of why the revolution never came in Western industrialized countries, only repressive backwaters like Russia, China etc. Despite the fact that Marx predicted it starting in countries more like France, Germany and England.

OccultHawk · 08-22-2020, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I wonder if Marx would still say that if he knew we'd be here a century and a half later.

I wonder if MLK would have advocated non-violence if he could’ve seen a half century into the future.

OccultHawk · 08-22-2020, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

pretty sure you're wrong

do you want to see this portrait of Mao literally casting a vote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_China

Do you have any after shots of people who campaigned against him?

The Batlord · 08-22-2020, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

From what I remember teasing this was actually am issue of contention in socialist parties in earlier days. Socialist parties in Europe that existed in more liberal and less repressive regimes were much more likely to want to work within the system and thus less radical. Ones that lived in more repressive regimes were more radical and unwilling to even entertain the idea of working with the government and more bent on revolution.

I think that's part of why the revolution never came in Western industrialized countries, only repressive backwaters like Russia, China etc. Despite the fact that Marx predicted it starting in countries more like France, Germany and England.

Well duh. Just look at us debating over voting and not voting rather than burning or not burning. It's all wishy washy bull**** and we'll still be in the same place in a hundred years if SOMEONE doesn't start burning something. Oh wait, someone is burning something. And getting something done that the voters aren't.

The Batlord · 08-22-2020, 05:23 PM

Yeah see you are such a Chula. In ten years you're going to be busting a nut over the minutiae of some neoliberal centrist's campaign.

The Batlord · 08-22-2020, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

You. Could. Do. Both.

but you're going to do neither, keep LARPing

You're doing the same thing, except you're also chucking a penny into a wishing fountain full of capitalist gold.