Frownland

If you're arguing for DACA on the basis of its positive fiscal impact, doesn't that mean that you would be against DACA in the hypothetical event that keeping it would be a fiscally negative move? It's logically consistent, if anything. This is the dangerous precedent that I was referring to.

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The Batlord

What happens if circumstances change?

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Chula Vista

1. I'm not arguing. I'm passing along information I've gathered over a few months from the experts on this ****.

2. I have no interest in discussing hypothetical situations on this matter. There's enough data out there, compiled over the past couple of years, that it would be a waste of my time.

3. Is there anything you won't brow beat me to ****ing death over trying to flex your supposed debate skills?

4. I'm not here to debate. See #1 above.

See #2 above.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

*sigh*

What a predictable cop out. Don't even come into this thread if you're not willing to follow through dude.

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The Batlord

Then stop debating. You've already posted your opinion. Slink away.

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Chula Vista

Does every post here have to be a debate starter. Follow through with what?

CV: I'm against killing people. It's bad.

FL and BL: What if it was suddenly deemed not bad? Would you still be against it?

*sigh*

If every single post requires that the OP must be willing to carry on a ridiculous back and forth debate over hypotheticals or "what ifs" - I'm out.

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“The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well,
on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

The Batlord

Once the debate has started then shouldn't you see yourself out of the conversation though?

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Frownland

Can I have some research from experts over the years that shows that framing immigration issues through an economical lens creates positive perceptions of immigrants?

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Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

Frownland

Fair enough. Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

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Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

DwnWthVwls

Why are you willing to banter and have nuanced back and fourth discussions about movies, but when it comes to a poli-sci topic it's all whining? The precedent comment made by Frown is a pretty legitimate concern. Do you disagree that if people are incentivized to support a cause for the good it does financially rather than socially, than when it stops being good for your pocket it will lose a lot of needed support?

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