In terms of identity or sex? It seems obvious to me that the kind of person who would commit a hate crime towards a trans person would hold the same kind of contempt for a non-binary, genderqueer, non-conforming, biogender, etc.

Well i said gender so gender? Sex isnt gender get with the times.

In that case,

so I think it's pretty rational to say that non-binary people are marginalized.

Seeming obvious to you isnt good enough considering the huge differences between the genders. Id be willing to bet a majority of those cases fall in line with the more traditional mtf/ftm “trapped in the wrong body” people than any one of the 7 billion nonbinary types.

You don't have to agree with how they identify to recognize that they're marginalized.

Im still trying to figure out how you marginalize a group of unique individuals pinpointed somewhere on the gender spectrum and how their treatment is different from anyone else who falls outside societal norms and gets bullied, assaulted, and harassed.

By bullying, assaulting, or harassing them for falling outside of societal norms.

Cool now how many people who fit that criteria for reasons other than gender also suffer the same consequences, mr statman?

A gay friend of mine once berated me for "not embracing gay culture" cause I'm bi but I don't watch queer as folk and act like a sissy. I told him go **** yourself with your gay culture and your rainbow flag and your leather bound parades. I never signed up for that to be my image or identity and frankly it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest.

Bunches. If weirdos were a quantifiable, self identified group, then they would be marginalized too. You're saying that this is supposed to discount the marginalization of non-binary people?

So how is gender different when theyre all different arbitrary self appointed labels? If the majority of these crimes are targeting mtf/ftm than how marginalized are nonbinary genders?

There you go conflating the issue again. I'll let you try to work this one out.

Answer the second question.

“Poor white people are marginalized therefore white people are marginalized” #frownlogic

Do you think it would make a difference to the people committing those crimes if you explained the difference between them? They're marginalized by real world impact.

Yes. Do you think some ******* is gonna treat a male in transition the same as a college girl who identifies as nonbinary?

Again i believe its a lot more about the outward expression than the gender identity itself that bothers people. Which afaik there have been no good studies or stats for.

Do you think that some ******* who harasses someone because they think that they're a male in transition will change their behaviour if they find out that the person that they're harassing is just non-binary?

Frankly your insistence on invalidating the oppression that nonbinary people experience and removing them from the LGBTQ community is a form of marginalization in itself.

Tbh it depends on your environment

If you live somewhere liberal like parts of NYC or Cali then I think you get brownie points for being LGBT

But in certain communities there's definitely an animosity to it. Where I lived in Florida, we had 3300 kids in my high school and nobody was openly gay. Haitians, Latin Americans etc are very conservative on sexuality.

And I've seen something similar here in NC with Southerners, although it's not as severe cause times are changing.

Frankly i never said they should be removed and i think ur annoyed u have bad answers to reasonable questions.

You insinuated it.

Answer my reasonable question please. People committing the marginalization don't necessarily have to understand what they're targeting for them to marginalize a group.

Tbh my only thing with them is fundamentally i think some of the non binary types are just attention seekers.

They want the label but they aren't committed enough to alter their bodies.

Do juggalos count as a marginalized group?

They're a case of justified marginalization. Similar to pedos.

So identity based on music preference is the same as raping children? Or just this specific identity for no real thoughtful reason is comparable to raping children?

Listening to ICP is comparable to raping children.

My answer is i dont know i think it would depend why they are attacking them in the first place and i agree with the latter.

You joke but I've seen people literally get assaulted for it.

True, but there are plenty 'bisexual' people who are attention seekers too. 'omg boys think it's sexy'. The majority of sincere people can't help that

I've been targeted and attacked many times for being white. So I suppose white people are a marginalized group now?



only bi women. Men gain nothing from it.

That's mostly true, but my statement still stands

In some places, yes.

And I don't disagree with it. I think way more people are bi or capable of being bi and just don't know it though. But bi at least means something specific. You sleep with both sexes. The non binary thing is more ambiguous. The difference between a cis Tom boy and a non binary female is a matter of semantics and which label you embrace.

I'm a cis tomboy and I don't think that's true. There's a subtle difference

if you decided you were not binary I probably couldn't tell the difference

I think the subtlety arises because we experience our gender in many layers. The first is obviously our sex, there's also an obvious layer of superficial conventions: how we dress, act, our interests, etc. I think that there's something in between though, a part of our gender that's mainly sexual (but not our sexual orientation). I think that's part of why I, and many other young tomboys, come to identify themselves pretty unambiguously as female once they reach puberty. I'm not sure though and I need to go to sleep so maybe I'll read this tomorrow and be like 'what'

I don't demand anything of them

I'm just being honest about how I see it. I believe it's trending and people are jumping on the bandwagon. Not like that means I want to treat them any differently.

What do you think about otherkin?

Do you buy that they maybe should've been born a different species?

Yet that is largely what they proclaim and is what their actions seem geared towards

Eg injecting hormones of the opposite sex, plastic surgery designed to mimic the opposite sex, etc

Furries?