I'm not saying he would've gotten it but to not even try doesn't make sense. He plays the game when it comes to falling in line behind the nominee and party after they finish smearing him but not when it comes to coalition building.

Like I said I respect what he accomplished in terms of shifting the conversation but he also has his weaknesses. Not being willing to draw blood being the obvious one this conversation started with. For all his grandstanding about refusing to address Clinton's scandals that didn't make them any less prominent a talking point for Trump during the general election. I don't see the pragmatic benefit of the kids gloves approach other than temporarily sheilding your opponent from scrutiny they will later face from the GOP. Meanwhile they don't extend the same courtesy.

I really wouldn’t care how black boomers vote if their oppression wasn’t tied to my own.

I would care about how young people vote if they actually voted.

There would probably be a lot more republicans among them than people assume.

Democrats are ****ting on Bernie like, "We might have a lame candidate but at least we don't have a passionate following."

You're right he'll attack, and if Biden has any sort of team behind him they'll practice ignoring the insane **** Trump says* and force him to answer questions. If people stop taking Trumps bait, Trump will lose. As I said before, we'll see how the debates go.

That said, his closing speech at the DNC was solid. You shouldn't be impressed by it necessarily, but he spoke publically and wasn't the person Trump made him out to be. Which only serves to hurt Trump going into the RNC. Suspicion in the center is mounting that he's probably not truthful.

*"But it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay?"

Batlord’s mom?

A 400 pound bed would be unnecessarily heavy, I'm with Donnie on this one.

Granted, my expectations were low, but I liked the Biden speech.

I think, given how much I'm told Biden is basically the second coming of George W. Bush on the internet, the fact that he said things like "we're going to strengthen unions, which built the middle class" felt somewhat bold to me. I also happen to support that position, but I rarely hear Democrats say it.

Also, compared to the 2016 DNC, this one might as well have been the Communist Party.

Yeah picking Kamala "Centrist Cop" Harris really communicates Biden's interest in going to the left rather than going even further right to appeal to moderate Republicans. Totally does.