Frownland

That's a pretty racist justification tbf.

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Chula Vista

?????

https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/20...-daca/?mcubz=1

Killing DACA is the only racist thing here.

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Frownland

You don't see how boiling a group of people down to their economic benefits is dehumanizing? Would you support overturning DACA if this particular segment wasn't fiscally positive? Look up infer.

Keep DACA in place because they're goddamn people who lived their whole lives here. That's all the reasoning you need.

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Chula Vista

Business leaders and economicists are just a small group of people who oppose DACA - and they're providing a key reason why Congress and the President need to keep it in place. Plenty of people and groups are speaking out loudly about the human aspects.

Thing is some of Trump's base don't give a crap about people's feelings - just that those damn brownies are stealing our jobs.

So maybe opening their eyes as to how killing DACA might hit them where it hurts - their wallets - needs to be put out there too.

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Frownland

I call that letting them drive the conversation towards a dangerous precedent. Either way, it's an odd thing to come out of the gates with.

Much like the way that the climate change discussion is less "what can we do about climate change" and more "are we responsible for climate change", for example.

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Chula Vista

The human aspects have been a topic of public discussion ever since Trump started using killing DACA as a political tool during his campaign. If anything, the negative business aspects are coming a bit late to the table.

And the business leaders are not just talking about dollars and cents.

Mark Zuckerberg condemns DACA repeal: 'Particularly cruel' - Sep. 5, 2017

But considering how our economy has gradually improved, making a decision purely based on politics that could have a pretty drastic impact on the economy for the entire country needs to be talked about, and very loudly.

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Frownland

Now I call it letting them drive the conversation towards a dangerous precedent while maintaining that you were the one that brought the topic to the table.

I get where you're coming from Chula, I just think it's the wrong way to approach the issue and giving it a lot of attention like the media is atm gives that misguided approach more validity. That's not to mention how this discussion is typically catering to people with misinformed views of DACA (such as the belief that it grants people citizenship).

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Chula Vista

It's not a misguided approach. It's just one of a number of approaches that ALL need to be discussed publically right now.

The fact that in the last week - since Trump has decided to really go through with it - the number of companies that have signed up to this https://www.fwd.us/ has jumped from 300 to 400 is a powerful message for those on Capitol Hill that choose not to ignore it.

And as long as we have folks like Ana Cabrera out there the human aspects will get their platform VERY LOUDLY.

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and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

Frownland

So what happens if those who benefit from DACA have an undeniably negative fiscal impact?

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Chula Vista

Not sure I understand the question. Already talked about the negative impact to our economy if DACA is repealed.

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on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away
and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”