Why should we*

I dont mind using pronouns or anything and i go out of my way to respect this new gender crisis but it makes 0 ****ing sense to me and if its only getting harder to not write it off.

There are instances of people naturally changing sex
Really rare but it's happened.

they're a blast

I understand this to an extent and get it for men and women who wake up every day feeling like theyre in the body of the wrong sex. However when you meet someone who is John one day and Jackie the next it seems more like confusion than something that deserves its own gender identity and there are a lot of genders identities that seem to do this. Why is it so hard to be a male who happens to have feminine gender characteristics to be cis? You are who you are, i dont really understand the point the gender spectrum for these types of feelings. We dont need a gender for guys who love Celine Dion. I want to see science.

That's kinda confusing.. if the brains are largely the same what does it mean exactly to be a woman trapped in a man's body

Right I'm just trying to comprehend what it even means to think you have the wrong body if it's not a brain thing


Cause clearly there's nothing wrong their actual bodies

Care to explain? The gender spectrum lies between masculine and feminine. How is it deeper than a biological man or woman identifying with gender characteristics that don't fit their biological side of the spectrum?

I feel like its analogous to someone asking you your sexual orientation and then you making some **** up because "well I like dick, but men are gross.. and I only **** women in the butt, so im a floopadoopsexual." Nah dude, youre just bi with a preference.

China’s one child policy was the only substantial environmental law in human history.

If you really believe this than it seems to me every person is their own gender since we are all unique which brings us back to: who cares what gender you are?

In my experience its used more as a justification. “You wouldn't understand cause youre not x gender” type stuff when in reality they probably dont understand either since as you said earlier its hard to articulate.

I read a reddit post the other day in which someone identified as a hermaphrodite and their explanation was because they looked androgynous. After a short mostly civil back and fourth we agreed to disagree. Ill have to see if i can still find aome of the justifications used

and now China is a sausage fest cause nobody wants daughters

Which means even less babies.

It's kind of understandable and forgivable for marginalized people to want to cling to some kind of identity-building trait or concept. Which is the reason why gay pride or black pride are much, much less retarded than white or straight pride. Would of course still be great if at some point humanity would be able to leave identities or at least such silly concepts of identity behind altogether.

I agree but were, in part, talking white men and women that are maybe a little different from the american standard claiming some gender like theyre so different they need a special title. They arent actually marginalized its practically munchausens on the extreme end. And yes **** tribalism and our inability to use reason to look past it.

Does silence still equal death?

Are mimes dead?

AOC for president 2024 or 2028 https://boxden.com/images/icons/iUFxu44-compressor.png

Big lol at this one

I mean the old gay rights expression

I get your joke but I mean it seems like every tribe or identity wants to shut out all the others and it’s hard to communicate. Or maybe that’s just what they keep saying on the news. I feel like whites have the biggest platform but it’s still not a suitable place for me to broadcast whatever it is I want to be heard. It might not even be a tribal issue. Maybe it’s just a me thing.

White people as a whole have been behaving badly for a long time but where does that leave me as an individual?

If theyre marginalized then so am i because i dont fit in with society based on all the things elph included in his desceiption of what gender is. Thanks Frown, ive always wanted special treatment.

What special treatment are they asking for apart from "let us be ourselves"?

What about yourself is it that has a history of hate crimes targeting people with that trait?

I agree.
The whole gender matter depends on how you define gender. I think that in an ideal world gender would be equal to sex and there would no other parts of your identity be attached to it. Then there would be two genders (plus hermaphrodites). However, it's sensible to adapt to the fact that gender means more right now, in which case it becomes a more complicated concept with more variations. Still, I think we should keep the ideal in mind where your sex is no part of your identity whatsoever.
A lot of that reasoning is based on my personal experience though. I pretty much identified as a boy as a kid (at least I wanted to) until I realized that I could have my identity in a girl's body if I chose not to conform to gender norms. Puberty might also have played a part, in any case, my attitude towards my own gender shifted at some point.

It really goed a lot further than that in terms of being different and marginalisation. Really. And of course, **** tribalism, but it is a matter of asking for understanding and acceptance. When things get intolerant, for instance with people being ostracised for using the wrong pronoun accidentally, that's something different. I think we can all agree that that's not a good thing, that's not what this is about.

Its almost like you read nothing and decided to comment. Hmm.

How? I'd sincerely like to hear your answer
To Frowns questions I mean

You're referring to me not addressing your attempt to define nonbinary people by the imaginary self-aggrandizing trendhopper, right?

Nah. I said special title not special treatment. Pronoun usage aside i dont think they ask for much but its pretty hilarious they get lumped with lgbtq who actually have been historically marginalized. People who are different from normal social structures all deal with bullying and pressure, child/adult/man/woman, anyone who isnt cis gender is probably being targeted because theyre “weird” and mostly make no sense not because they arent cis (in most cases, no one would even know if they didnt say anything). Im not justifying this behavior towards them but i also dont think they need their own gender in the infinite spectrum. What does it mean to you when someone tells you they are nonbinary? That literally tells me nothing about them other then they might wanna be called something different, which im fine with cause i dont go out of my way to disrespect people.

Heres a couple examples of things i feel like i shouldnt do in society because ill probably have to deal with ****:
-not acknowledge the pledge of allegiance
-be openly athiest
-not respecting the military

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What are you basing that on?

If it's an infinite spectrum, what's the harm in pinpointing spots on that spectrum?

I'm with Marie and grindy that gender identity tends to enforce gender roles more than thwart them and that people should just be themselves instead of basing their behaviour/identity on their sex.

i agree with marie and grindy too. So whats the problem?

And pinpointing? There isnt some actual spectrum everyone agrees on or actual method to gender characterization. It doesnt pinpoint **** its mostly arbitrary with some minor guidelines.

And im basing it on my experience in the real world and my short time in the kink community where nonbinary genders were abundant.

I was mainly responding to your claim that nonbinary people aren't marginalized.

Yeah and again. They arent any more marginalized then other people that have quirks which deem them weird by societal standards. It seems like a gross false equivalency the compare to treatment of lgbtq and blacks to that of those claiming to be nonbinary.

Comparing lgbtq with lgbtq seems like a pretty exact equivalency but that's just me.

Theyre a modern attachment that got lumped in. Seriously, youre going to compare misgendering to the disgusting treatment of gay people prior to the modern gender dilemma?

Uh no. Are you?

Seems that you are when you say nonbinary and whatever is comparably marginalized to the lgbtq community prior to gender latching on.

Notice the deliberate lack of the +.

I didn't realize that it was a contest

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...LnswzRsKcaD3DZ

Its not. You just havent been reading what ive been typing.

Sure thing.

Thoughts on whether or not my stats qualify as marginalization?

No clue. Didnt bother reading em.

Big science.

Show me the stats with a breakdown of which gender each victim was. It would be a lot more useful.

Youre too busy trying to be right that youre just grabbing at **** to prove a generalized statement wrong without regard for some of my earlier comments. And im too lazy to rehash everything soooo ....