Political Discussions for "Adults"

Lucem Ferre · 08-13-2020, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Love how when Big3 doesn't understand a word it's the other person's fault.

Idk if it was Big3, I think it was just soundgarden & JWB, but the fascism one was a good point.

SGR · 08-13-2020, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Idk if it was Big3, I think it was just soundgarden & JWB, but the fascism one was a good point.

I do argue with others occasionally over definitions of words, but, to be fair, I don't think I've ever attacked someone, blamed them for my misunderstanding (or a collective misunderstanding) or been a dick about a disagreement (other than in pure jest, sorry Batty, you know I kid).

I do think it's worthwhile, if we want to discuss things seriously, to at least agree on the meanings of words or else we'll be speaking past each other.

The Batlord · 08-13-2020, 07:57 PM

Like how in the **** do you call "influence" a buzz word and ask what you really mean? I mean influence, you clod.

**Frownland** · 08-13-2020, 07:59 PM

Ja buzzwords are defo prominent. ****, even buzzword is a buzzword used to dismiss ideas. Kind of like the fallacy fallacy where identifying fallacies is used as a distractive instead of logical argument. Then there's the fallacy fallacy fallacy where people misidentify a legitimate call out of a fallacy as a fallacy fallacy.

Words suck. Overrated.

Lucem Ferre · 08-13-2020, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

I do argue with others occasionally over definitions of words, but, to be fair, I don't think I've ever attacked someone, blamed them for my misunderstanding (or a collective misunderstanding) or been a dick about a disagreement (other than in pure jest, sorry Batty, you know I kid).

I do think it's worthwhile, if we want to discuss things seriously, to at least agree on the meanings of words or else we'll be speaking past each other.

Nah, you guys had a good point and made me completely rethink the way I use the word.

Fascism definitely is a vague buzzword.

Lucem Ferre · 08-13-2020, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

Ja buzzwords are defo prominent. ****, even buzzword is a buzzword used to dismiss ideas. Kind of like the fallacy fallacy where identifying fallacies is used as a distractive instead of logical argument. Then there's the fallacy fallacy fallacy where people misidentify a legitimate call out of a fallacy as a fallacy fallacy.

Words suck. Overrated.

The fallacy fallacy gets most used on ad hominem. I just like to talk ****. But I also had a point.

The Batlord · 08-13-2020, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I'm probably the most aggressive lefty on this board and I'm ridin' with Biden

have to say, I'm pretty skeptical of those that call themselves left but spend all their energy attacking the DNC

see: Jimmy Dore (Bore)

No you are not. You are a trendy bitch.

And the DNC is the ****ing enemy. The RNC is a worse enemy but they are both the modern American neoliberal hierarchy that needs to be smashed. The DNC are not allies. The only reason to possibly align yourself with them is as a temporary tool.

**Frownland** · 08-13-2020, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

I just like to talk ****. But I also had a point.

I feel that. I wish that the public never learned of the term troll because it's emptily thrown at people who blend humour into their discussion too often. Like it's impossible to be funny and right at the same time or some ****.

The Batlord · 08-13-2020, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

Fascism is vague if you're expecting it to be a coherent political ideology which it's not

but understanding historical fascism pretty perfectly makes sense of the Trump phenomenon and even Brexit

Yup. Trump is not really a successful fascist as he hasn't actually seized the power a fascist would want but he most definitely uses fascist means like right wing populism to scare monger against the left, minorities, and a perceived loss of majority power and pride against shadow enemies.

Lucem Ferre · 08-13-2020, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I feel that. I wish that the public never learned of the term troll because it's emptily thrown at people who blend humour into their discussion too often. Like it's impossible to be funny and right at the same time or some ****.

Literally happened to me not even because I was being funny but I wasn't nice enough when telling somebody they are wrong.

All I said was, "You know some of these have been debunked, right?"

And I guess that makes people feel stupid.

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