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Lucem Ferre 08-13-2020 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2130763)
Love how when Big3 doesn't understand a word it's the other person's fault.

Idk if it was Big3, I think it was just soundgarden & JWB, but the fascism one was a good point.

SGR 08-13-2020 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2130766)
Idk if it was Big3, I think it was just soundgarden & JWB, but the fascism one was a good point.

I do argue with others occasionally over definitions of words, but, to be fair, I don't think I've ever attacked someone, blamed them for my misunderstanding (or a collective misunderstanding) or been a dick about a disagreement (other than in pure jest, sorry Batty, you know I kid).

I do think it's worthwhile, if we want to discuss things seriously, to at least agree on the meanings of words or else we'll be speaking past each other.

The Batlord 08-13-2020 06:57 PM

Like how in the **** do you call "influence" a buzz word and ask what you really mean? I mean influence, you clod.

Frownland 08-13-2020 06:59 PM

Ja buzzwords are defo prominent. ****, even buzzword is a buzzword used to dismiss ideas. Kind of like the fallacy fallacy where identifying fallacies is used as a distractive instead of logical argument. Then there's the fallacy fallacy fallacy where people misidentify a legitimate call out of a fallacy as a fallacy fallacy.

Words suck. Overrated.

Lucem Ferre 08-13-2020 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 2130768)
I do argue with others occasionally over definitions of words, but, to be fair, I don't think I've ever attacked someone, blamed them for my misunderstanding (or a collective misunderstanding) or been a dick about a disagreement (other than in pure jest, sorry Batty, you know I kid).

I do think it's worthwhile, if we want to discuss things seriously, to at least agree on the meanings of words or else we'll be speaking past each other.

Nah, you guys had a good point and made me completely rethink the way I use the word.

Fascism definitely is a vague buzzword.

Lucem Ferre 08-13-2020 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2130772)
Ja buzzwords are defo prominent. ****, even buzzword is a buzzword used to dismiss ideas. Kind of like the fallacy fallacy where identifying fallacies is used as a distractive instead of logical argument. Then there's the fallacy fallacy fallacy where people misidentify a legitimate call out of a fallacy as a fallacy fallacy.

Words suck. Overrated.

The fallacy fallacy gets most used on ad hominem. I just like to talk ****. But I also had a point.

The Batlord 08-13-2020 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2130771)
I'm probably the most aggressive lefty on this board and I'm ridin' with Biden

have to say, I'm pretty skeptical of those that call themselves left but spend all their energy attacking the DNC

see: Jimmy Dore (Bore)

No you are not. You are a trendy bitch.

And the DNC is the ****ing enemy. The RNC is a worse enemy but they are both the modern American neoliberal hierarchy that needs to be smashed. The DNC are not allies. The only reason to possibly align yourself with them is as a temporary tool.

Frownland 08-13-2020 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 2130775)
I just like to talk ****. But I also had a point.

I feel that. I wish that the public never learned of the term troll because it's emptily thrown at people who blend humour into their discussion too often. Like it's impossible to be funny and right at the same time or some ****.

The Batlord 08-13-2020 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 2130774)
Fascism is vague if you're expecting it to be a coherent political ideology which it's not

but understanding historical fascism pretty perfectly makes sense of the Trump phenomenon and even Brexit

Yup. Trump is not really a successful fascist as he hasn't actually seized the power a fascist would want but he most definitely uses fascist means like right wing populism to scare monger against the left, minorities, and a perceived loss of majority power and pride against shadow enemies.

Lucem Ferre 08-13-2020 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2130777)
I feel that. I wish that the public never learned of the term troll because it's emptily thrown at people who blend humour into their discussion too often. Like it's impossible to be funny and right at the same time or some ****.

Literally happened to me not even because I was being funny but I wasn't nice enough when telling somebody they are wrong.

All I said was, "You know some of these have been debunked, right?"

And I guess that makes people feel stupid.


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