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Frownland 08-12-2020 07:28 PM

Their reaction wouldn't be wide?

TheBig3 08-12-2020 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2130561)
Their reaction wouldn't be wide?

Hey look man, I'm just out here jerking off publicly you know? It's a think-piece thing. You wouldn't get it.

Frownland 08-12-2020 07:42 PM

Socrates vs Diogenes except they're both secretly Diogenes.

TheBig3 08-12-2020 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2130564)
Socrates vs Diogenes except they're both secretly Diogenes.

Christ, what a mess that would be. You feel bad for the janitor. I'm not even sure who the "they're" are here, but I don't dislike anyone enough to say they're Diogenes. I don't think the hard Left is bad, I just wish they'd explore some nuance once in awhile. The far left...less so. There's too much racial motivation over there, but I would still politely try to explain why they're wrong to them.

jwb 08-12-2020 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2130558)
Yeah, but I'm not interested in my own reaction. I want to know where the gap between is.



Well to make it more digestible, PBS walks through chronologically so you get the ethos in the first 20 mins. But I'd rather hear what people think than just give my opinion. I like mixing it up.

In the first 20 minutes I didn't honestly hear much that was very contentious. Yes the 2008 financial crisis was bad and the people responsible were never given real consequences. Yes this helped lead to the rise in populist politics with occupy on the left and the tea party on the right. None of this seems uniquely appealing to the DSA to me. I rarely hear or speak to anyone who disagrees with this.

Frownland 08-12-2020 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2130567)
Christ, what a mess that would be. You feel bad for the janitor. I'm not even sure who the "they're" are here, but I don't dislike anyone enough to say they're Diogenes. I don't think the hard Left is bad, I just wish they'd explore some nuance once in awhile. The far left...less so. There's too much racial motivation over there, but I would still politely try to explain why they're wrong to them.

To clarify: you're Diogenes for publicly masturbating and I'm Diogenes for calling out bad logic like a dick.

TheBig3 08-12-2020 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb (Post 2130568)
In the first 20 minutes I didn't honestly hear much that was very contentious. Yes the 2008 financial crisis was bad and the people responsible were never given real consequences. Yes this helped lead to the rise in populist politics with occupy on the left and the tea party on the right. None of this seems uniquely appealing to the DSA to me. I rarely hear or speak to anyone who disagrees with this.

More about the concept of the working class getting sold out and gutted by the higher ups, I would have guessed would have been a welcome position.

Who knows, maybe I'm projecting, but the biggest gripe I have with the DNC, and the area I'm probably more aligned with the DSA on is the wild over financialization of the US. The Ivy Grads getting a degree in space aeronautics and working at McKinsey, every company regardless of sector offering you a credit card, the leveraged-buyout apocalypse putting people out of work.

I guess I was wrong. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2130569)
To clarify: you're Diogenes for publicly masturbating and I'm Diogenes for calling out bad logic like a dick.

As long as you acknowledge you're a dick, I'm fine with it.

Frownland 08-12-2020 08:00 PM

You have to admit that you're wrong first.

The Batlord 08-12-2020 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2130570)
More about the concept of the working class getting sold out and gutted by the higher ups, I would have guessed would have been a welcome position.

Who knows, maybe I'm projecting, but the biggest gripe I have with the DNC, and the area I'm probably more aligned with the DSA on is the wild over financialization of the US. The Ivy Grads getting a degree in space aeronautics and working at McKinsey, every company regardless of sector offering you a credit card, the leveraged-buyout apocalypse putting people out of work.

I guess I was wrong. Oh well.

I guess to ask what you're asking you'd have to assume the far left picked up on all that but had no other principles informing their choices and just kind of happened upon socialism as the first anti-bad people idea they'd ever heard, so it could just as easily been far right populism.

Lucem Ferre 08-12-2020 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 2130537)
Its on my calendar!



I don't think it does. The Left just fights like ****. I have my guesses as to why, but for some reason the Left really is seen as the party that says to America "Shut up, I know what's good for you" instead of working to change minds. The one thing you have to give Bernie is he's the first guy in a long time that understood politics. His timing with healthcare was unfortunate.

Bull**** it doesn't.

And it's because we aren't a petty fascist monolith who's sole goal is to stick it to the republicans. We have values and standards. While some of us are willing to sacrifice it in the name of the same petty game the fascists are playing, others aren't. And some just simply think universal health care is too far left despite it being hardly a nudge that way. We're just such a capitalist right wing **** tank that anything resembling a left leaning idea is thought of as communism or extreme. Bernie Sanders being considered far left is kind of laughable but they think Obama and the conservative ass Clintons are far left too.


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