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Dems. They’re gonna pick the only guy who couldn’t sell cold beer in Hell. |
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There are plenty of things he's said that I don't agree with but generally speaking his haters don't seem to have a clue what he actually stands for. |
Idk man. I remember one talk about makeup in the work place and how women only wear it to appear sexy to men. I can acknowledge there is probably some truth to that but it lacks nuance and even if it isnt pro-incel its certainly something theyd adopt.
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I saw that interview. Saying that make up plays on some obvious biological and sexual cues isn't telling men they are entitled to rape women. I agree it wasn't his best quote and he should know people are going to read into anything he says beyond what he means but I think your interpretation lacks the same kind of nuance you're accusing me of lacking. You just take the worst possible interpretation and run with it.
Which is what interviews like that are really designed to do... Which is why they took an hour of footage and edited it down to 7 minutes. |
Cause he's not going to outright say it.
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What is it that you think he means? |
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My problem with Peterson is that cultural Marxism doesn't really mean anything. It's a weird umbrella term he throws everything and the kitchen sink under when what he's really railing against is intersectionality.
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@Lucem I've heard him talk specifically about incels and he's said the opposite. That it's a man's own fault if women don't find them attractive.
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Andrew Yang's favorite jams, spotify playlist :beer: interesting and intelligent way to get into the minds of voters https://boxden.com/smilies/ra2NRDo.png |
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But let's say that none of these examples check the box, why do you think he attracts so many incels? |
Enforced monogamy just means monogamy as the cultural norm vs polygamy. You could easily argue women tended to have less rights in most polygamous societies.
I haven't seen any stats on him with incels. I know the self help angle largely appeals to young men who are struggling in one shape or fashion. tbh I've not read his book or anything and was mostly into the biblical lectures. |
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I see him in the same light as the dude who wrote The Bell Curve. They take some form of evidence to draw hasty conclusions to support what they already believe. Then they hide behind the fact that they never directly saying anything racist/sexist/etc., they're just telling everyone the FAXTS and that anyone criticizing their interpretation are criticizing the facts themselves. But ja he's a solid biblical historian I'll give him that. Definitely the most interesting material he's put out. |
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Have you read the Bell Curve Frown?
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I mean... That sorta sounds like he's talking from a biological pov rather than a specific policy that is meant to restrict sexuality.
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Anyways, saying that there's a biological justification for restricting women's rights isn't really any better. |
That's really not what I'm getting from him though. I think he favors monogamy on a pragmatic level as a way to structure society. That doesn't require any actual restrictions imposed on sexuality, if the mechanism by which it is "enforced" is by cultural norms. That basically describes the society we already live in, for the most part.
I don't even really value monogamy that much myself, but I just think what he's actually saying is less sexist than you're reading into it. |
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So what informed your opinion? |
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Or maybe he calls it like he sees it and a hypersensitive subculture extrapolates their own conclusions and then gets worked up about **** he never even really said.
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Bro I know leftists **** on your for calling black people monkeys but that's your damage.
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If it's so easy for him to just say the things you think he is saying, and he already gets blamed for saying them, then he really has no reason not to say them. Unless that's not what his real position is. I tend to give him the benefit the doubt cause I'm so used to his critics misrepresenting everything he says. |
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It's the Cathy Newman style of attack that strikes me as phony. And it's the same tactic being used by m many others. Not all leftists. I saw an interview of him by some feminist lady where I sided with her more than him. Because she didn't spend the entire interview cynically trying to reframe his views as more inflammatory than they are. |
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Rubber glue fallacy
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I think Frown and jwb know that the first person to engage in earnest debate with the other is the loser and so they just semantically circle each other like two cats pretending everything's cool.
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I just mean that his critics are certainly guilty of it from what I've seen. Even your boy Matt Dillahunty said as much in the beginning of the debate you cited. |
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I would have to agree. He spouts incomprehensible jibberish and dresses it up as Marxism. He hangs posters of Stalin on his wall ffs.
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