Political Discussions for "Adults"

The Batlord · 08-12-2020, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Bull**** it doesn't.

And it's because we aren't a petty fascist monolith who's sole goal is to stick it to the republicans. We have values and standards. While some of us are willing to sacrifice it in the name of the same petty game the fascists are playing, others aren't. And some just simply think universal health care is too far left despite it being hardly a nudge that way. We're just such a capitalist right wing **** tank that anything resembling a left leaning idea is thought of as communism or extreme. Bernie Sanders being considered far left is kind of laughable but they think Obama and the conservative ass Clintons are far left too.

Oh hey what's going on over where you are about the DA charging protesters as a gang and potentially giving them life in prison? You planning on burning the city down or something?

~~jwb~~ · 08-12-2020, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

More about the concept of the working class getting sold out and gutted by the higher ups, I would have guessed would have been a welcome position.

Who knows, maybe I'm projecting, but the biggest gripe I have with the DNC, and the area I'm probably more aligned with the DSA on is the wild over financialization of the US. The Ivy Grads getting a degree in space aeronautics and working at McKinsey, every company regardless of sector offering you a credit card, the leveraged-buyout apocalypse putting people out of work.

I guess I was wrong. Oh well.

Once again that's not wrong it's just not some unique DSA talking point. It's the kind of thing that is so popularly held as self evident that even the politicians who might not sympathize with it deep down still feel the need to pay lip service to it.

Lucem Ferre · 08-12-2020, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Oh hey what's going on over where you are about the DA charging protesters as a gang and potentially giving them life in prison? You planning on burning the city down or something?

No. I don't want a life sentence.

The Batlord · 08-12-2020, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

No. I don't want a life sentence.

Free room and board and food and medical care for the rest of your life might be the better option at this point.

Lucem Ferre · 08-12-2020, 07:52 PM

America sucks the ding dong.

TheBig3 · 08-12-2020, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

Once again that's not wrong it's just not some unique DSA talking point. It's the kind of thing that is so popularly held as self evident that even the politicians who might not sympathize with it deep down still feel the need to pay lip service to it.

I rarely see the Centrists mention it.

**Frownland** · 08-12-2020, 08:05 PM

That's because centrism is more about maintaining the status quo than any actual ideology, which often leads to putting one's head in the sand.

TheBig3 · 08-12-2020, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

That's because centrism is more about maintaining the status quo than any actual ideology, which often leads to putting one's head in the sand.

Another articulate point, said to a friendly audience, with zero citation. I don't care what you guys do, but this thread is a circle jerk of preaching to the choir.

**Frownland** · 08-12-2020, 08:39 PM

Source confirming that centrism = marblemouthed nonideology

Now where's your sources bucko

SGR · 08-12-2020, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

The New York Times is not Fivethirtyeight. I trust nothing all the time but Nate Silver said throughout the Summer of 2016 the polling was trash, that it was not easy to predict, but also that polls showing Trump way behind as being unfounded.

I like Nate Silver, I think he's a sharp guy. But Fiverthirtyeight's polls/forecast largely favored Clinton to win, like most polls did. To be clear, they gave Trump a 28.6% chance and Clinton a 71.4% chance to win on Election night.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com...tion-forecast/

It could simply be that their polling/forecast methodology or samples were not as refined or accurate as they could have been, or - it could simply be that the 28.6% just happened to occur. But if you're going to hold up Fivethirtyeight's polls now as indicative of what's going to happen on Election day, or simply as reason for optimism, it may be prudent to explain why considering what their predictions were on the night of the election.

Were there problems identified in the methodology that were corrected? Factors that weren't taken to account that now are? After 2016, I simply have a difficult time putting much faith or stock in polls.

08-12-2020, 08:05 PM	#6957 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	That's because centrism is more about maintaining the status quo than any actual ideology, which often leads to putting one's head in the sand. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

08-12-2020, 08:39 PM	#6959 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Source confirming that centrism = marblemouthed nonideology Now where's your sources bucko __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x