Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 07-13-2020, 09:29 AM

Is it cancel culture when comedians can’t find work like Roseanne, CK, Kramer, and Cosby?

I guess the first three could work if the were willing to face it.

**Frownland** · 07-13-2020, 09:38 AM

3 out of 4 of those people were getting by on reputation alone and Louis was touring earlier this year. I think that the majority of the inconsequential "cancellations" that we're seeing now are marketing campaigns targeting the demographic that has a bone to pick with the libs.

OccultHawk · 07-13-2020, 09:49 AM

What’s going on that I don’t know about?

**Frownland** · 07-13-2020, 09:59 AM

Idk what you don't know dawg

~~jwb~~ · 07-13-2020, 10:20 AM

I like how people are pissed at Chomsky for signing that letter that was anti cancel culture, including some of his fans.

You have to be completely unfamiliar with his past statements and positions on free speech in order to find this surprising.

Lucem Ferre · 07-13-2020, 11:16 AM

Canceling somebody is free speech technically.

~~jwb~~ · 07-13-2020, 11:25 AM

Yes, but the question isn't whether it's constitutional but whether it's productive for open dialogue.

Free speech as a concept isn't necessarily just a legal matter, it's also an ideal. The 1st amendment is there because it was considered that open dialogue and discussion are healthy for a democracy and a pluralistic society. The reason that the 1st amendment only addresses state censorship is because the constitution literally only exists to delegate responsibilities to and place restrictions on the government.

Lucem Ferre · 07-13-2020, 11:38 AM

How is the dialogue being closed?

**Frownland** · 07-13-2020, 11:40 AM

The cancel cancel culture crowd is obnoxious. Cancel cancel cancel culture.

~~jwb~~ · 07-13-2020, 11:43 AM

I don't know if "closed" is the right word, more like stifled. If certain ideas are out of bounds then that necessarily limits the dialogue along certain ideological lines.

07-13-2020, 09:29 AM	#6691 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Is it cancel culture when comedians can’t find work like Roseanne, CK, Kramer, and Cosby? I guess the first three could work if the were willing to face it. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

07-13-2020, 09:38 AM	#6692 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	3 out of 4 of those people were getting by on reputation alone and Louis was touring earlier this year. I think that the majority of the inconsequential "cancellations" that we're seeing now are marketing campaigns targeting the demographic that has a bone to pick with the libs. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

07-13-2020, 09:49 AM	#6693 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	What’s going on that I don’t know about? __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

07-13-2020, 09:59 AM	#6694 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Idk what you don't know dawg __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

07-13-2020, 11:40 AM	#6699 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	The cancel cancel culture crowd is obnoxious. Cancel cancel cancel culture. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

07-13-2020, 10:20 AM	#6695 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I like how people are pissed at Chomsky for signing that letter that was anti cancel culture, including some of his fans. You have to be completely unfamiliar with his past statements and positions on free speech in order to find this surprising.

07-13-2020, 11:25 AM	#6697 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	Yes, but the question isn't whether it's constitutional but whether it's productive for open dialogue. Free speech as a concept isn't necessarily just a legal matter, it's also an ideal. The 1st amendment is there because it was considered that open dialogue and discussion are healthy for a democracy and a pluralistic society. The reason that the 1st amendment only addresses state censorship is because the constitution literally only exists to delegate responsibilities to and place restrictions on the government.

07-13-2020, 11:43 AM	#6700 (permalink)
~~jwb~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 4,403	I don't know if "closed" is the right word, more like stifled. If certain ideas are out of bounds then that necessarily limits the dialogue along certain ideological lines.