Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 07-11-2020, 11:44 AM

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Systemic slaughter of minorities

Jails
Prisons
Dead end jobs

Where’s the life worth living?

OccultHawk · 07-11-2020, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rostasi

What Could Be More Impeachable Than Clemency for Roger Stone?

After that maybe they could take away his phone privileges for the entire weekend.

SGR · 07-11-2020, 04:41 PM

Who do y'all think will be Joe Biden's VP?

Another question would be: who should be Joe Biden's VP?

I personally think he's going to take Kamala Harris as VP, but I don't know that she is the best choice.

OccultHawk · 07-11-2020, 04:54 PM

I think he should promise it to Trump if he wins

WWWP · 07-11-2020, 04:56 PM

Should give it to Kanye

SGR · 07-11-2020, 05:01 PM

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Should give it to Kanye

I'd be okay with this. But I don't think Kanye would. And I don't think Joe would either. Plus Joe has already committed to making the VP a woman.

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I think he should promise it to Trump if he wins

Unfortunately, he has to committ to a VP before he wins, so no dice.

OccultHawk · 07-11-2020, 05:03 PM

Corn Pop

rostasi · 07-11-2020, 07:06 PM

"... Billy Barr has said that this kind of clemency might be obstruction of justice. He said as much three times during his confirmation hearing.

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Patrick Leahy, specifically invoking Barr’s sanction of the Caspar Weinberger pardon that squelched the Iran-Contra investigation, asked Barr about pardons.

Leahy: Do you believe a president could lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him?

Barr: No, that would be a crime.

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Then, in this exchange from Amy Klobuchar, it appeared to take Barr several questions before he realized she knew more about the evidence than he did, and started couching his answers.

Klobuchar: You wrote on page one that a President persuading a person to commit perjury would be obstruction. Is that right?

Barr: [Pause] Yes. Any person who persuades another —

Klobuchar: Okay. You also said that a President or any person convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction. Is that right?

Barr: Yes.

Klobuchar: And on page two, you said that a President deliberately impairing the integrity or availability of evidence would be an obstruction. Is that correct?

Barr: Yes.

Klobuchar: OK. And so what if a President told a witness not to cooperate with an investigation or hinted at a pardon?

Barr: I’d have to know the specifics facts, I’d have to know the specific facts.

Klobuchar: OK. And you wrote on page one that if a President knowingly destroys or alters evidence, that would be obstruction?

Barr: Yes.

Klobuchar: OK. So what if a President drafted a misleading statement to conceal the purpose of a meeting. Would that be obstruction?

Barr: Again, I’d have to know the specifics.

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Shortly after that exchange, Lindsey Graham tried to clarify the issue, asking the pardon question at a more basic level, coaching another not to testify, as Trump has done on Twitter repeatedly.

Lindsey: So if there was some reason to believe that the President tried to coach somebody not to testify or testify falsely, that could be obstruction of justice?

Barr: Yes, under that, under an obstruction statute, yes.

Lindsey: So if there’s some evidence that the President tried to conceal evidence? That would be obstruction of justice, potentially?

Barr: [nods]

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Admittedly, by the third exchange, both Lindsey and Barr were hedging far more carefully about the set of facts.

But on three different occasions during his confirmation hearing, Barr made some kind of statement that said floating pardons for false testimony would be a crime ...."

SGR · 07-11-2020, 08:00 PM

Rotasi, no offense intended here, but why the pink text on the blue background? My eyes feel violated.

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Corn Pop

Now we're talking.

rostasi · 07-13-2020, 09:13 AM

Don’t Fall For The ‘Cancel Culture’ Scam.

07-11-2020, 04:54 PM	#6684 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	I think he should promise it to Trump if he wins __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

07-11-2020, 05:03 PM	#6687 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Corn Pop __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

07-11-2020, 07:06 PM	#6688 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	"... Billy Barr has said that this kind of clemency might be obstruction of justice. He said as much three times during his confirmation hearing. ••••••••••••••••� �••••••••••••••••� ��•••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••� �•••••• Patrick Leahy, specifically invoking Barr’s sanction of the Caspar Weinberger pardon that squelched the Iran-Contra investigation, asked Barr about pardons. Leahy: Do you believe a president could lawfully issue a pardon in exchange for the recipient’s promise to not incriminate him? Barr: No, that would be a crime. ••••••••••••••••� �••••••••••••••••� ��•••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••� �•••••• Then, in this exchange from Amy Klobuchar, it appeared to take Barr several questions before he realized she knew more about the evidence than he did, and started couching his answers. Klobuchar: You wrote on page one that a President persuading a person to commit perjury would be obstruction. Is that right? Barr: [Pause] Yes. Any person who persuades another — Klobuchar: Okay. You also said that a President or any person convincing a witness to change testimony would be obstruction. Is that right? Barr: Yes. Klobuchar: And on page two, you said that a President deliberately impairing the integrity or availability of evidence would be an obstruction. Is that correct? Barr: Yes. Klobuchar: OK. And so what if a President told a witness not to cooperate with an investigation or hinted at a pardon? Barr: I’d have to know the specifics facts, I’d have to know the specific facts. Klobuchar: OK. And you wrote on page one that if a President knowingly destroys or alters evidence, that would be obstruction? Barr: Yes. Klobuchar: OK. So what if a President drafted a misleading statement to conceal the purpose of a meeting. Would that be obstruction? Barr: Again, I’d have to know the specifics. ••••••••••••••••� �••••••••••••••••� ��•••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••� �•••••• Shortly after that exchange, Lindsey Graham tried to clarify the issue, asking the pardon question at a more basic level, coaching another not to testify, as Trump has done on Twitter repeatedly. Lindsey: So if there was some reason to believe that the President tried to coach somebody not to testify or testify falsely, that could be obstruction of justice? Barr: Yes, under that, under an obstruction statute, yes. Lindsey: So if there’s some evidence that the President tried to conceal evidence? That would be obstruction of justice, potentially? Barr: [nods] ••••••••••••••••� �••••••••••••••••� ��•••••••••••••••• ••••••••••••••••� �•••••• Admittedly, by the third exchange, both Lindsey and Barr were hedging far more carefully about the set of facts. But on three different occasions during his confirmation hearing, Barr made some kind of statement that said floating pardons for false testimony would be a crime ...." Last edited by rostasi; 07-11-2020 at 08:02 PM.

07-11-2020, 04:41 PM	#6683 (permalink)
SGR No Ice In My Bourbon Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: /dev/null Posts: 4,327	Who do y'all think will be Joe Biden's VP? Another question would be: who should be Joe Biden's VP? I personally think he's going to take Kamala Harris as VP, but I don't know that she is the best choice.

07-13-2020, 09:13 AM	#6690 (permalink)
rostasi . Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 4,007	Don’t Fall For The ‘Cancel Culture’ Scam.