Political Discussions for "Adults"

Anteater · 05-29-2020, 09:15 AM

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~~jwb~~ · 05-29-2020, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I think it's clear to most folks no one is pumped about Biden. But there are no atheists in a foxhole.

this is the same argument the Dems pump out every 4 years though. "Yeah we're bad but have you seen the other guy?" The idea that Trump is some unique evil so we must settle if that's what it takes to defeat him is crap. It gives you the false impression this is a one-time pragmatic sacrifice. There will be yet another boogeyman in 2024. And 28. Etc. They pretend to hate the Trumps of the world but I think they would be ****ed without them.

The Batlord · 05-29-2020, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

I don’t care if Biden is in the klan. If he promises to have the government pay my rent I’ll vote for him.

*opens peanut butter jar*

*unzips pants*

TheBig3 · 05-30-2020, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jwb

this is the same argument the Dems pump out every 4 years though. "Yeah we're bad but have you seen the other guy?" The idea that Trump is some unique evil so we must settle if that's what it takes to defeat him is crap. It gives you the false impression this is a one-time pragmatic sacrifice. There will be yet another boogeyman in 2024. And 28. Etc. They pretend to hate the Trumps of the world but I think they would be ****ed without them.

It's the same argument because it's the same candidate. What am I missing here? If after 4 years you can't see the difference between the parties, I'm not sure what else we can do for you. it blows my mind that people look at 2000 and 2016 and still think the two-party system is to blame.

He's not a unique evil. In fact, he's the best Republican to get elected because they all share the same policies, Trump is just too dumb not to put a nice face on it. But until the Gerrymandering of Operation Red Map is resolved, the GOP will be an extreme representation of America. The real race for the President of the country currently only exists in the Democratic Party until the GOP gets rebalanced by the populace.

Anteater · 05-30-2020, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

It's the same argument because it's the same candidate. What am I missing here? If after 4 years you can't see the difference between the parties, I'm not sure what else we can do for you. it blows my mind that people look at 2000 and 2016 and still think the two-party system is to blame.

He's not a unique evil. In fact, he's the best Republican to get elected because they all share the same policies, Trump is just too dumb not to put a nice face on it. But until the Gerrymandering of Operation Red Map is resolved, the GOP will be an extreme representation of America. The real race for the President of the country currently only exists in the Democratic Party until the GOP gets rebalanced by the populace.

Trump was registered as a Democrat at one point, so I understand to an extent what jwb is talking about.

TheBig3 · 05-30-2020, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Anteater

Trump was registered as a Democrat at one point, so I understand to an extent what jwb is talking about.

Well feel free to explain it to me because I don't see how that's relevant. The policies that the GOP promotes - regardless of the candidate - are designed to create an oligarchy.

It might be fair to say that depending on the candidate, the Democrats also create a wealthier upper class, but as we saw with Clinton, the working family also so an increase in wealth.

I guess I don't really care about the candidates as much as most, because we've got some major core fundamental problems in the US that the republicans think can be solved with deregulation and tax breaks (to the wealthy) that we've been handing out since 1982.

Anteater · 05-30-2020, 09:10 PM

My point of view about the Republican Party is that at one point they were the better party between the two major ones that we have, but due to numerous factors have lost their way over time, which culminated with Reagan and the first Bush administration. Then Clinton brought neoliberalism to the forefront of American politics and the GOP learned a thing or two from that as well.

That being said, I think Teddy Roosevelt is a good example (in general) of the better aspects of conservatism when you couple them with a more empathetic and logical approach to governance.

**Frownland** · 05-30-2020, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

If after you can't see the difference between the parties...

Solid hook bro, keep repeating it and we've got ourselves a hit single.

~~jwb~~ · 05-31-2020, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

It's the same argument because it's the same candidate. What am I missing here? If after 4 years you can't see the difference between the parties, I'm not sure what else we can do for you. it blows my mind that people look at 2000 and 2016 and still think the two-party system is to blame.

He's not a unique evil. In fact, he's the best Republican to get elected because they all share the same policies, Trump is just too dumb not to put a nice face on it. But until the Gerrymandering of Operation Red Map is resolved, the GOP will be an extreme representation of America. The real race for the President of the country currently only exists in the Democratic Party until the GOP gets rebalanced by the populace.

it was the same argument before with Romney, Bush, etc.

It's not that I don't see a difference between the parties, it's that the Dems take it for granted that these boogeyman tactics will force your hand to vote for them even when they consistently offer up mediocre candidates.

This is by design. They did everything in their power to make the argument that only Biden could beat Trump when Sanders was still in the running, and I see voting for him on that basis as validating that narrative.

To me it's blatantly obvious that the current conversation in the Democratic party is further to the left/more populist than it would have been if Hillary won.

OccultHawk · 05-31-2020, 08:13 AM

There’s never been a time more ripe for a third party socialist. Not Sanders either. He needs to drop Biden and endorse someone young and radical that doesn’t own two mansions, one in one of the most coveted locations in Vermont.

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