Political Discussions for "Adults"

TheBig3 · 04-21-2020, 01:59 PM

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Sounds like you're talking past him based on your perception of the left as opposed to listening or responding to anything that he's actually saying.

I mean, explaining your position broadly as a means of communicating your point is a fairly common thing. The Left that has emerged since 2017's major problem is they take a meat-cleaver to something that requires a scalpel. I suppose I could have written it that way, but I think it's clear we're not involved in a civil discussion.

I may have been direct in my response, but to say that I was directing that at him? I think an impartial jury wouldn't convict.

**Frownland** · 04-21-2020, 01:59 PM

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There will always be a global power, and who would be a better choice than America?

I don't agree with this assertion, but Denmark seems legit.

The Batlord · 04-21-2020, 02:00 PM

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It's very easy to point to big, vague things that American does and be "wrong" but solutions to resolve them, or unintended consequences generated from their removal...I never hear anything about them from the Chomsky Acolytes.

Maybe it's because there are no reasonable solutions since humans aren't reliable as citizens and voters so elites get to decide whatever happens by default. We're a race of perpetual peasants and slaves and the idea of giving us the right to vote sounds nice but only leads to hoping the elites who appease our sensibilities the best will act like a real Augustus Caesar and not a Nero or *insert lame emperor*.

So we just go with the status quo cause as a 1st world nation the status quo is more comforting than BIG SCARY CHAOS even though if we're willing to settle for that then we might as well do away with democracy in general and just let the elites rule us even more directly without this farce of "will of the people".

But hey you be an adult who accepts the world as it is while still clinging to the fantasy of democracy.

TheBig3 · 04-21-2020, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

I don't agree with this assertion, but Denmark seems legit.

Well, this is why I mentioned the plurality. America has a lot of problems getting social policy passed because we're not a homogenous race. But neither is the globe. The Nordics have tiered social safety nets that never get discussed in the US, but you can't Copy&Paste because we're far more tolerant of immigrants in the US, we don't have a similar concept of citizenship, and you have to include many different ethnicities.

This is not to mention that maintaining a military capable of enforcing global order requires a ton of money that would often prevent socialized medicine.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Maybe it's because there are no reasonable solutions since humans aren't reliable as citizens and voters so elites get to decide whatever happens by default. We're a race of perpetual peasants and slaves and the idea of giving us the right to vote sounds nice but only leads to hoping the elites who appease our sensibilities the best will act like a real Augustus Caesar and not a Nero or *insert lame emperor*.

So we just go with the status quo cause as a 1st world nation the status quo is more comforting than BIG SCARY CHAOS even though if we're willing to settle for that then we might as well do away with democracy in general and just let the elites rule us even more directly without this farce of "will of the people".

But hey you be an adult who accepts the world as it is while still clinging to the fantasy of democracy.

And Frownland says I'm the monster.

American's have also been given the ability to read, and exactly how many of them hold a library card? Tell me what you propose, Batlord. Since by the snark in your tone I'm going to guess you think you're smarter than I am. Tell me what I don't get.

**Frownland** · 04-21-2020, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I think it's clear we're not involved in a civil discussion.

Rise above or don't waste your time imo.

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I may have been direct in my response, but to say that I was directing that at him? I think an impartial jury wouldn't convict.

Neoliberals are a bunch of backpedalers. Not talking about you of course, just a trend I noticed and decided to mention right now.

Lucem Ferre · 04-21-2020, 02:04 PM

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I thought this was a thread for adults. With comments like that, I think we should change the title.

The concept that America is the worst country in history, and that somehow we've cheated our way to the top is analogous to "The moon landing was faked."

It's not a position that warrants thoughtful discussion. It's just entitled virtue signaling in which the goal is "I want to tell everyone I'm very smart and morally upright." But it isn't factual.

If there's any reason to look at American's with disdain, it's their laziness when it comes to their civil duty.

TBH, this does seem targeted.

TheBig3 · 04-21-2020, 02:06 PM

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Neoliberals are a bunch of backpedalers. Not talking about you of course, just a trend I noticed and decided to mention right now.

I mentioned mine in a larger discussion of the issue. You seem to be very upset that I made a statement about the far left.

Your statement as quoted here, imo, is fine. I'm not taking offense to it. but then again I'm not a neoliberal.

**Frownland** · 04-21-2020, 02:10 PM

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Well, this is why I mentioned the plurality. America has a lot of problems getting social policy passed because we're not a homogenous race. But neither is the globe. The Nordics have tiered social safety nets that never get discussed in the US, but you can't Copy&Paste because we're far more tolerant of immigrants in the US, we don't have a similar concept of citizenship, and you have to include many different ethnicities.

There shouldn't really be a global leader, but that doesn't mean that the role copies and pastes their governmental structure into every country. They should let local governments operate and step in when there's human rights violations.

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This is not to mention that maintaining a military capable of enforcing global order

Ja I'm not down with literal global totalitarianism thanks. The largest military force in human history isn't even enough to accomplish global order, doesn't seem like the best approach or maybe it's not even possible.

**Frownland** · 04-21-2020, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I mentioned mine in a larger discussion of the issue. You seem to be very upset that I made a statement about the far left.

Ja I found your statement annoying because it's just entitled virtue signaling in which the goal is "I want to tell everyone I'm very smart and morally upright."

Lucem Ferre · 04-21-2020, 02:15 PM

So if somebody got a marker and colored one of OH's testicles with it, that'd probably do the trick. His nuts would be nuanced.

I don't know why he would want that, but hey, I won't judge. Man is entitled to his desires.