rostasi

I’m gonna stick with Serling’s world on this one. It’s pretty clear methinks.

Lucem Ferre

Can we just start recognizing people that use the phrase "media" like it's one big monolithic group as blathering idiots?

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Lucem Ferre

Do you guys recognize the point it became blathering?

My point proven.

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Frownland

Nah man El needs to play the grinch.

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Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.

Lucem Ferre

Grinch is more of a Joe Budden role.

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SGR

That could definitely work. My other nomination for Grinch would be Chino XL.

Lucem Ferre

I use the legit definition.

A dictatorship based on nationalist, racist, sexist, classist, and bigoted values.

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SGR

The 'legit' definiton according to whom?

Oxford defines fascism as "An authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization."

Merriam Webster defines fascism as "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

Dictionary.com defines fascism as "a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism."

British historian Roger Griffin coined the term 'fascist minimum' in his book The Nature of Fascism, a set of minimum conditions that a political movement or government must meet to satisfy the quality of being fascist. If historians could agree on something like this, it might be more useful than our current hodgepodge of definitions.

Many think 'fascism' is inextricably linked with 'corporatism', but your definition doesn't require corporatism. Some believe that 'fascism' is inextricably tied to far-right ideologies, but others believe it better suited to simple authoritarianism, of any political root.

So depending on one's definition, Nazi Germany was fascist, Imperial Japan was fascist, Israel is fascist, the modern US is fascist, the early US was fascist, the Soviet Union was fascist, pre-communist China was fascist, and modern day China is fascist.

Lucem Ferre

Every single one of those definitions fit perfectly with the one I gave.

And yes, I would and have said that all those things are fascist.

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SGR

'Fit perfectly' - come on now. Even with the loosest interpretations of these definitions, they don't 'fit perfectly' with yours. Even if the application of your definition was as loose as Jenna Jameson, it wouldn't fit perfectly.

A definition of political ideology that applies to all those countries is not a useful one.