Political Discussions for "Adults"

OccultHawk · 04-11-2020, 03:20 AM

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most the people Stalin killed died of starvation

Socialism in One State is not communism

I said I didn’t need a history lesson. I understand that **** but don’t care. Stalin put the pedal to the metal.

The Batlord · 04-11-2020, 04:14 AM

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I said I didn’t need a history lesson. I understand that **** but don’t care. Stalin put the pedal to the metal.

To what? What the **** did he do?

OccultHawk · 04-11-2020, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

To what? What the **** did he do?

He was a working class man by origin who ran a fierce campaign that was not threatened by counter-revolutionaries. In an equivalent situation in America, Bezos definitely would not survive. Nor would his family. And no one would dare say ****. Wouldn’t even have a ****ing funeral.

Anteater · 04-11-2020, 12:50 PM

Ok which one of you is actually this guy on YT.

The Batlord · 04-11-2020, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

He was a working class man by origin

Who ****ing cares?

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who ran a fierce campaign that was not threatened by counter-revolutionaries.

And that accomplished nothing except put the means of production in the hands of different rich people.

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In an equivalent situation in America, Bezos definitely would not survive. Nor would his family. And no one would dare say ****. Wouldn’t even have a ****ing funeral.

That's nice. If all you needed to set up a utopia was revenge killings then Nazi Germany was a missed opportunity.

Mindy · 04-11-2020, 03:38 PM

filed the paperwork for my trump bucks

others online already got theres too

if i get it ill share the news, I filed with my new bank info so.... hopefully things go smooth.

OccultHawk · 04-11-2020, 04:13 PM

What paperwork? Were you a non-filer?

Mindy · 04-11-2020, 04:39 PM

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What paperwork? Were you a non-filer?

yeah, it was just that IRS website. Website stuff is paperwork to me

~~jwb~~ · 04-12-2020, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

that's not really the point

it's just don't imagine proponents of direct democracy as asking for a giant poll

that would indeed be pretty unwieldy

maybe not in your case, but one form of direct democracy is voting directly on policy initiatives. It's this form that people would point towards in a country like Switzerland, for example. So I don't think it's really mutually exclusive with the idea of a nation state.

As for unweildy, it doesn't seem less workable than the kind of completely decentralized global order you are speaking of. If anything I'd say the opposite is true.

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We live a lifestyle that is unsustainable. That means if we continue like this billions will die. Then if you offer a suggestion people disregard it like it’s ridiculous as if our actually reality isn’t. You hear “That’ll never work!” Well guess what? This **** isn’t working.

Our current political systems cannot take us another century as a species so clinging on to the status quo is infinitely more naive than embracing radical change.

Even if the current system is unsustainable long term, that doesn' necessarily mean it can be replaced with just anything

I'm not even saying "that could never happen" I'm saying I don't see it personally. The moral imperative collapses for me when you aren't presenting a true option out. It's very similar to me to when libertarians say taxation is theft. And so what if it is? I believe that any form of advanced society is and has always been built on top of a foundation of coercive force. I'm happy to discuss other possibilities, I just won't accept them unquestioningly.

~~jwb~~ · 04-12-2020, 07:25 AM

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I want that but I think it’s going to take crazy levels totalitarianism to get there. That’s why I do feel sympathy for Stalinism.

that was the idea in the Soviet and Soviet-esque societies too. I actually have some strange type of sympathy for that impulse on some level as well but it goes without saying that totalitarians never willingly relinquish power once they get it. So the dream that it's a stepping stone to true democracy is just that - a dream. It's much more likely that democracy is yet another stepping stone to authoritarianism.

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